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Name: connieleemarie
Date: June 29, 2006 at 22:33:47 Pacific
OS: win98SE
CPU/Ram: 500MH AMD 64
Product: IBM
Comment:

I was just given a new 250 gig hard-drive..i read on the web that Win98 will only handle up to 137 gigs of info (without a controller) I'm going to install win98 on this new hard drive tomorrow...(before i get the controller) so.... I am wondering what size i should make the partitions? Is it true that Win98 (FAT32) likes partitions to be a max of 32 gigs? anyone have any ideas on what's the best partition sizes for this new drive? thanks!




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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: June 29, 2006 at 23:23:03 Pacific
Reply:

I'm a little confused by your specs. "500MH AMD 64"...what's that? Do you mean 500MHz AMD K6-2? 500MHz AMD Athlon? Athlon64?

Regardless, if you have an older system, it would be best to install the controller card 1st.

http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm


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Response Number 2
Name: connieleemarie
Date: June 29, 2006 at 23:29:48 Pacific
Reply:

my system is OLD
500 megahertz AMD K6-2 w/3DNow!
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache

so you think it would be better to wait till have the controller? the friend who gave me the drive said it wouldn't make any difference as long as I didn't put more than 137 gigs of info on there...but he's been wrong before!


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: June 29, 2006 at 23:41:21 Pacific
Reply:

read the info at the link I provided....


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Response Number 4
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: June 29, 2006 at 23:58:55 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, get the card. Your bios will not be able to see the drive properly.

Besides jam's link read this previous thread and my #11 there:

http://computing.net/windows95/wwwboard/forum/168139.html


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Response Number 5
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: June 30, 2006 at 00:03:24 Pacific
Reply:

Oh and 98 works fine on fat32 partitions larger than 32 gig. However the cluster size gets larger causing more wasted space. But with a 250 gig drive, who cares?

It's NTFS partitions that should be less than 32 gig.


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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: June 30, 2006 at 00:22:05 Pacific
Reply:

If you format the HDD using the manufacturer's software, you should be able to control the cluster size


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2006 at 05:33:05 Pacific
Reply:

Take jams advice and carefully read all sections referring to Win98 and 48bitLBA. Also, I would recommend the Controller card AND partitioning. Note the section concerning scandisk and other native Win98 utilities. Avoid problems by keeping the size below 127GB. Simply use 50% for each of two partitions. Altering cluster size outside the norms will also cause problems when running Win98 utilities.


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Response Number 8
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: June 30, 2006 at 06:08:12 Pacific
Reply:

[1] I would not partition then change controllers; that's beggibg for problems.

[2] 98 is limited to about 63G but the newer fdisk will go to about 137G. Beyond that, I dunno.

DAVEINCAPS,

I carved a 300 into roughly thirds with w2000 NTFS. What am I missing here?


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2006 at 06:12:22 Pacific
Reply:

What DAVEINCAPS was thinking of was that when using NT versions of windows they will not allow you to create and format FAT32 partitions larger than 32GB. The work around for that is to create the partitions outside of that environment.


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Response Number 10
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: June 30, 2006 at 07:00:19 Pacific
Reply:

Hi OtheHill,

You're tight in saying NT won't do FAT > 32.

I wonder if a FAT > x created with DOS would cause trouble in NT.

I have one about 38g which has run for years.


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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2006 at 07:23:21 Pacific
Reply:

M2
What I was referring to was Win2000 & WinXP. Should have been more specific. Windows 2000/XP won't, by default, allow a partition over 32GB to be formatted FAT32. I will however, mount an existing FAT32 partition larger than 32GB.


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Response Number 12
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: June 30, 2006 at 07:33:54 Pacific
Reply:

Hi OtheHill,

I should have been more clear.

Is there a size above which 2k will mount and "use" a FAT but eventually corrupt it?


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M2



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Response Number 13
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: June 30, 2006 at 07:44:35 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, I misspoke. It's XP that doesn't like fat32 partitions larger than 32 gig. Above that they should be NTFS. Here the microsoft link on that:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314463


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Response Number 14
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2006 at 07:56:00 Pacific
Reply:

M2
I believe the answer to that is 137GB, same as Win98. I think that is covered at the 48bitLBA site. I am not real sure about that though. When using partition magiic there are some warnings about altering cluster sizes in FAT32. I do know this, I have a 300GB external drive formatted FAT32 because I dual boot Win98/2000. I was in Win2000 with this external drive running and Win2000 did an outo update, rebooting my machine. The default OS is Win98, so when it restarted my drive letters were shifted and Scandisk started running. When I came back into my offfice and saw what had happened I stopped the scan. I had many recorded TV shows on there and some of them became corrupted and lockup any computer I try to play them on. This behavior is mentioned at the 48bitLBA site and IMO reason enough not to create partitions larger than 137GB/127actual. http://www.48bitlba.com


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Response Number 15
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: June 30, 2006 at 08:56:13 Pacific
Reply:

Hi OtheHill & DAVE,

Good info.

I don't need a controller now. [My biggest drive is 40G LOL] But for planning purposes, any reco?

We used to sell PROMISE RAID cards that were quite good and very reasonable.


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Response Number 16
Name: ham30
Date: June 30, 2006 at 09:14:52 Pacific
Reply:

To Connieleemarie, make sure the PCI card you purchase is '48 bit LBA' capable. There are lots of PCI cards out there that aren't.

Do yourself a favor BACKUP!


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Response Number 17
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2006 at 10:31:11 Pacific
Reply:

Some promise cards won't run optical drives either. That may not be an issue for you but the assumpion is they should.


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Response Number 18
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: June 30, 2006 at 11:01:08 Pacific
Reply:

Well worth keeping in mind.

TY


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

M2


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Response Number 19
Name: mosaddique
Date: July 2, 2006 at 08:38:07 Pacific
Reply:

Go to my website (Homepage link) and look up the section titled Working with Large Hard Drives (Barriers and Limits).

Hopefully this will arm you with the correct information and help you make the right decision on how to proceed for your specific circumstances.

Hope it helps.


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