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WIn 98 install saving files

Original Message
Name: Lizzy Taylor
Date: November 10, 2007 at 14:34:15 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
OS: win 98SE
CPU/Ram: 125
Comment:
Please know that I have tried everything possible for hours and hours and weeks, so I didnt have to bother you here.

You helped me with some missing files after I lost Windows...Thank you...

I now have the Win 98 CD.

Everything seems to go fine right up to win command for windows to appear but I get a flashing cursor with a thick dot over it in top left corner of black screen...even if there is text it appears in the middle.

I wanted to try to fix with CD but cant seem to find the exact commands I should be using..

I tried to start reinstall, keeping files but am not sure if the option is going to appear as I go through the install process...so I chicken out.

Can someone assure me there is a reinstall on my cd that will save old files (I cant save to any other pc) or should I continue to try to fix with the cd?

I had all the bios set etc...I know the very basics.

Thanks...I have saved posting until I have time to respond, should I be so lucky to find someone to help me!

Lizzy


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Response Number 1
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 10, 2007 at 15:06:44 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
Lizzy

Is this the same Win98 install that went to over 100 replies? And you didn't backup your files after all that.

First off, did you try booting to Safe Mode (F8)? An install over the top is possible without losing personal files.

If I recall you didn't have a Win98 CD before. If the version of Win98 you have and the version currently installed are not the same, you can have trouble. Do you know exactly what you have?

Also, even if the same you will need an installation key.

Many questions that you may not have the correct answers for. If you have files that must be retreived you have a couple of options.

Do you have a place to back copy files to? A second partition, flash drive, or burner.

I don't recall if you are running Win98FE or SE. Which is it. Post back with some answers.


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Response Number 2
Name: Lizzy Taylor
Date: November 10, 2007 at 15:19:13 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
Your memory serves you well...well partly...

It wasn't the thread with over 100 replies...

I had lost my win.com file and other files

I have never had the opportunity of backing up files...I have no posh method to back them up and was trying to install Win 98 onto another pc so I could maybe slave and copy(?) but the old pc I purchased to do this doesnt have a correct connection for the monitor...Thats why I gave up all the options and came here.

I have win98 SE but not sure about the cd

It wont let me boot in safe mode as I recall...I have tried everything I felt was possible...

I managed to get to a point on DOS with the a: or C: drive but had no luck finding out some commands I could try to help me boot

I have the installation key...Im not too sure how to check on the partition thing...It doesnt show I have one at present and not sure I have enough space on my pc to add one

WOuld you like me to try to find the original threads I had? back in sept I think

Lizzy



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Response Number 3
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 10, 2007 at 15:37:03 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
No, that is OK. I recognised the name but I could be mistaken about the thread.

Then you have a second computer? Does it work? Can you remove the HDrive from the second computer and install in the first one? You could then install win98se on that Harddrive, slave the current drive and copy the files.

If considering this option you MAY need a Win98se Boot floppy in addition to the Win98 CD. I suggest you try setting the boot order in the BIOS to Floppy, CD, HD0. Then see if you can boot to the Win98se CD. If you can you have two choices. You can install over the top of the old installation or abort the installation and install the second HDrive, as mentioned above and install to it. If the versions are different you may end up losing your files.

One thing is not clear to me. Did you install the in place Win98se from the CD you have in your possession?


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Response Number 4
Name: Lizzy Taylor
Date: November 10, 2007 at 15:45:17 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
I cant use the hard drive from this second computer...its only suitable for word processing....but I picked up an old pc that I cant use the monitor on so I will remove that hard drive...attach it to my win 98 computer and try what you said after I have installed the win 98 windows.

The CD is not the one used for my pc...i snagged it from a friend...Is there any way of finding out if its compatible to my other pc?

If I manage to get the pc Im trying to repair into Dos mode...for repairing...what are the commands I can use?

Can I do that?

Lizzy (its an easy name to remember..but Im not the rich one!!)


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Response Number 5
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 10, 2007 at 16:27:02 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
If you have a Win98se CD it could be an upgrade CD or for a new computer. If it is an upgrade CD you will need proof of ownership of a prior version of Windows. Like Win95 or even Win 3.11. Is the CD a copy or the original? If original what does it say on it.

Do you see any screens prior to getting the black screen?
To answer your question about repairing from DOS you haven't explained what is wrong with the computer so how can I say. I did reread your original post. Did this just happen suddenly or did other events lead up to it? You mention text on the screen when trying to boot. What does the text say? Do you hear any beeps when trying to start the computer? Did you ever hear any?


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Response Number 6
Name: Lizzy Taylor
Date: November 10, 2007 at 17:00:06 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
I bought my second hand pc from a store with a new intallation of Win 98SE but no CD supplied.

When i was installing some Windows updates my pc lunged into darkness and would not boot up again...missing win file which this forum or you helped me with...I then had missing himem files and got those installed but at the time didnt have a Windows cd.

I now have an original Win98 CD with the key..its Second edition for new computer

I tried to use it to repair windows but following the step by step method I get to the point that windows is about to start up and I get the flashing thick dot over a flashing cursor...The same thing happenes on a regular boot.

The only two things I think I can do (welll from what I see) is I can get to DOS mode with the CD help...in safe mode with command prompt I think...the other command promp doesnt work

I can also install Win 98 se but im scared to take it through to a point where I was hoping it would ask me if I wanted a complete install or if I wanted to save my files.

I intalled Win 2000 pro on another pc and also XP and they both had the option of saving files...Does the win 98 SE cd have that option?

The text on the screen is the list of step by step commands in one of the startup options (the [y] [n] option)

I do get beeps I believe...I get the 98 screen then it disappears to Dos screen and the dreaded flashing big dot with flashing cursor


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Response Number 7
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: November 10, 2007 at 18:40:46 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
98 only asks about saving the previous installation info if you're using an upgrade disk. That's not the disk you have. But that's OK. Check my #21 here for info on reinstalling 98 over an existing version using a full version cd:

http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

That's the method when using a regular bootdisk. If you boot from the 98 cd or do it in an existing windows session you still need to make sure win.com is renamed and make sure to install in the existing windows directory.


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Response Number 8
Name: Lizzy Taylor
Date: November 10, 2007 at 19:02:09 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
Thanks Dave...Ill follow those directions

How do I change the win.com file to read win.old and...I think all my files are on Win.000 directory...How can I confirm?

I dont want to make ANY mistakes that could mean I lose my files...urgghhh


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Response Number 9
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 10, 2007 at 20:13:03 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
"I now have an original Win98 CD with the key..its Second edition for new computer"

That's either a Retail Full version or an OEM Full version CD, not an upgrade CD. It won't allow you to install Windows if you boot from the CD unless the hard drive is empty.

You can get around that and attempt to repair Windows 98SE already on the drive, and not lose any personal stuff or software already on the drive, by running an "overtop" Setup.

You boot the computer with a Win 98SE Startup floppy disk. Whenever 98SE Setup is run , you make a Startup floppy as part of the Setup procedure. If you don't have one you can make one on a computer that has 98SE on it, or you can download the files for one off the web, and copy them to a floppy, or run a boot floppy making program you downloaded that does that for you.
If you need to make one, on a working 98SE computer, go to Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs, click on the Startup disk tab, insert a Win 98SE CD in a drive, insert a floppy disk in a drive, click to make a Startup Disk.

"Overtop" Setup.
98SE Setup doesn't have a Repair option (2000 and XP Setup have up to two screens where you can choose to Repair an existing Windows installation) - this is the closet you can come to that - it will replace Windows files Setup finds in an existing Windows installation that are missing or corrupted, but it can't fix any problem not caused by a file on the Windows CD.

With the Win 98SE CD in a CD drive
1. boot the computer with the 98SE Startup floppy in the floppy drive.

(If the floppy doesn't boot, you need to change the bios boot order - the order in which bootable disks are booted, if they are bootable. Enter the bios Setup while booting the computer by pressing the key for that while you see the prompt "press xxx to enter Setup" or similar - find the boot order settings and change them so the floppy drive or A is first - if you can, make the CD drive second, the hard drive third while you're doing that - save settings, reboot.)

If the bios boot order settings are correct, the bootable floppy will be recognized and load files and you will see a menu of a few choices - choose the default choice - load the files that support your CD drive - let the floppy continue to load files.
2. When it has finished loading files, type: setup (press Enter). That starts Windows Setup. If the hard drive is larger than 528mb, you will be asked if you want to enable large hard drive support or similar - answer yes - doing that will not harm any data on the hard drive.
3. Setup will look for existing Windows installations, then ask you where you want to install Windows. In order to sucessfully do an "overtop" Windows installation, you must install Windows in the SAME directory Windows is already in - usually that's the default C:\Windows - if it says something else, change it to C:\Windows.
(If you want to make sure the existing Windows is in C:\Windows, press F3 at this point to quit Setup and see below)
4. "I intalled Win 2000 pro on another pc and also XP and they both had the option of saving files...Does the win 98 SE cd have that option?
You may be asked at that point if you want to save existing Windows files - you can answer yes or no - it doesn't have anything to do with whether Setup will erase files already on the hard driven other than ones it needs to make Windows work - it only allows you to go back to the way Windows was before in Windows itself - I haven't found that to be of any use - I usually answer no. If you answer yes, you can get rid of the backed up files later if you are having no problems in Windows once Setup is finished.
5. Setup will proceed pretty much the same as a regular Setup, except you will be asked far fewer questions, and you will not be asked to supply a Product Key unless the location where that data is, is corrupted.
6. Remove the Startup floppy and try re-booting - if Windows seems okay, you don't need to load Windows from scratch.

......

If you want to make sure the existing Windows is in C:\Windows BEFORE re-installing Windows "overtop":
- boot with the 98SE Startup disk floppy
- choose any choice - if you want to be able to go to Setup once you have checked, choose the default - load the files to support the CD drive
- when the floppy files have finished loading, type C followed by a colon
e.g. C: (press Enter).
type: dir (press Enter)
you should see a folder listed \Windows.
If you see that your Windows installation is in the default place - C:\Windows.
- if you loaded cd drive support, type Setup to start Windows Setup
- if you didn't load cd drive support, press the Ctrl and Alt keys at the same time and hold them down, press the Del key, let go of all three keys, to reboot - load the cd drive support from the floppy - type Setup when the files finish loading.

.....

If you end up re-installing Windows from scratch:

Fdisk in Win 98, 98SE cannot recognize a hard drive larger than ~64 gig without an update, if it hasn't been installed. What Fdisk will see in those cases is e.g. ~80 - 64 = ~16 gig (or ~120 - 64 = ~56 gig). If your drive is larger than ~64 gig, this is what you need. Get the update here:
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...
If you use a Startup disk to Fdisk the hard drive, you must copy the updated Fdisk from Windows to the floppy. If you boot/install Windows from the Win 98/98SE CD, you cannot Fdisk/Format a hard drive larger than 64 gig - use the Startup disk with updated Fdisk instead.

The update is supposed to be installed on a working Win 98 or 98SE computer. If you don't have that, you can get the updated 98/98SE Fdisk.exe on the web. In it's Properties it's size is 64,460 bytes, and it's date is originally 5/18/00 (depending on where you get it from the date may be something else - the right one is 64,460 bytes).



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Response Number 10
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 10, 2007 at 20:18:32 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
Lizzy

The above potential problems are why I suggested installing the second drive.


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Response Number 11
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: November 11, 2007 at 00:47:28 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
If windows is up and running you can check its directory/folder name a few ways:

Open an msdos prompt window (START--PROGRAMS--MS-DOS PROMPT). If the prompt says C:\WINDOWS> then it's the WINDOWS folder. If it says C:\WINDOWS.000> then it's the windows.000 folder. Type exit and enter to return to windows.

Windows setup should choose the next available number. So if you're using windows.000 it should suggest windows.001. If so, you'd change the 001 back to 000.

To change the name of win.com, again you can open an msdos prompt. Then just type ren win.com win.old and enter.

If you restart windows without doing the installation it's not going to run because now it can't find win.com. So you'll have to rename it back from a dos prompt. Post back if you need to do that.


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Response Number 12
Name: Lizzy Taylor
Date: November 11, 2007 at 04:18:28 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
Thank you sooo much for all that help...I'm hoping I have time today to try to do it.

I have no windows...its the flashing dot and cursor that I get before it logs on...

Only rebooting removes it.

It also tells me something about system mechanic..but I don't want to confuse the issue.

No issue with the size of my drive...I think I have 13 G..maybe! ;)


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Response Number 13
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: November 11, 2007 at 22:56:02 Pacific
Subject: WIn 98 install saving files
Reply: (edit)
You don't have windows on the drive or you do but it's not booting into windows?

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