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What's the point of defrag??

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Name: user
Date: December 16, 2001 at 20:32:24 Pacific
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what is defrag and how does it help your computer?

I tried to defrag once and after a HOUR it wasnt even ½ done!

is there any point to it



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Response Number 1
Name: tom
Date: December 16, 2001 at 20:43:15 Pacific
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helps system run faster,if you install & uninstall continuously it helps to do defrag, defrag will long depending on how big your hard drive is and how fast or slow of a processor you have.


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Response Number 2
Name: Buster
Date: December 16, 2001 at 20:53:34 Pacific
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Also it will defrag better and faster if you remove running programs by using ctrl-alt-del.


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Response Number 3
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: December 16, 2001 at 21:11:34 Pacific
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When your OS is writing to the HD it can't always put the entire file in continuous sectors. So it ends up putting parts of it here and there. So when the OS is reading the file it has to skip all over the place to find all the parts. Defrag organizes the files in a more continuous manner, speeding up file access and reducing HD wear and tear.


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Response Number 4
Name: w
Date: December 16, 2001 at 21:14:48 Pacific
Reply:

http://surecool.com/W95x-MeDefrag.zip
you can replace defrag.exe with this one from winme it is much faster and more reliable.in
c:\windows
you should run defrag about every two weeks
for better performance and less lockups/hangs
it moves files to the beginning of the drive
for faster access.


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Response Number 5
Name: Jim Clark
Date: December 16, 2001 at 21:20:35 Pacific
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Fragmentation is caused by your computer writing part of a file in one place and part of it in another place. The more you open and close files, the more fragmented they become. Let's put it in very simplistic terms. If you file consists of 10 pieces tied together, but the computer finds a spot with 5 pieces, it will break your file into two 5 piece pieces and put half in that spot and half in another. As you call the file back up, it puts the file back together, but not necessarily in the same places again, leading to further breakdowns. In the mean time, if you have a lot of disk caching going on, you can accumulate severe fragmentation of the disk...disk caching occurs when you don't have enough memory and the computer needs it and so uses the hard disk as what is called VIRTUAL MEMORY. This means it takes a part of your hard disk and uses it like memory...Then you go and dump your internet cache or system cache to clean things up and this leaves big gaping holes in the hard disk. The gapes are then filled in with new files and fragments and this leads once again to even more fragmentation.

So you can see, a disk can quickly become a garbage dump, all mixed up like a soup.
So now, the computer is asked to find a file and it must search all over the disk to put a file back together...doing this causes more SEEK time and therefore slows the computer down.

Eventually, however, a file can become so fragmented, that the computer looses a piece of it...the file becomes CORRUPTED and you loose it. Ultimately, if this file happens to be a DLL file or some other critical file, it can lead to the catesrophic blue screen of death or even...ultimately, a complete hard disk failure.

In this day and age of big computer files and high system OS demands, defragging the disk is even more important than it ever was before. It requires TIME and EFFORT to keep your computer up and running evenly, smoothly and efficiently. I figure I spend at LEAST 25 percent of my time, downloading updates, keeping my virus protection program up to date, my computer scanned...and most of all, keeping my hard disks defragmented...
Its just a plain fact of life.

And the more stuff you have on your hard disk, the longer it takes to defrag. This is why having more than one hard disk is an advantage. On my computer, I only use C drive for ops files and system OS files. I have two other hard disks where all of my program files reside. This keeps my C drive
size down to a minimum and therefore, defrag times are short. Yes, and processor size and memory also affect defrag time.

Using CTRL-ALT-DEL, you must select one thing at a time and unload it...but be CAREFUL what you select, as you may not be able to run the computer if you shut off all system resources. Be careful not to shut down the system tray or the desktop or windows explorer.

If I were you, I would do a disk cleanup and defrag at LEAST once per week. You might assign this task to the Task Manager and do it while you are sleeping or at work or doing something else rather than boring yourself to death watching it. Look into using Task Manager. Win 98 can activate itself without you even being there.


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Response Number 6
Name: ?
Date: December 16, 2001 at 21:24:37 Pacific
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Jeez, I cant wait to read the book.


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Response Number 7
Name: Ellis
Date: December 16, 2001 at 21:35:59 Pacific
Reply:

The post wasn't off the mark. Just a bit wordy (for me).

DASD SEEK - but no Set Sector, Connect, Transfer - or Latency etc...

PC Tech Jim?


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Response Number 8
Name: Boojum
Date: December 16, 2001 at 22:30:16 Pacific
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This is the point of DEFRAG: to get bogged down in four hours of looping, pretending that some mysterious application is writing to the hard drive, and cause blue screens of death that say, "Defrag has a caused a fatal exception 0E . . . blah . . blah . . .," and other very helpful things like that.



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Response Number 9
Name: .
Date: December 17, 2001 at 03:34:13 Pacific
Reply:

Children may not understand this...
Defrag is lot like doing laundry; specifically your socks.
I like to sort my socks, not only match up the pairs of socks but I also like to place them in the dresser drawer in piles by color. I like to keep the blue socks together and the blacks together and the greys together and so on.

I could just dump all of the unsorted socks into the drawer but then when I am looking for a pair of socks at 6:30 in the morning I am in no mood to be getting aggravated because I can not see the differences between the blues and the blacks.

Sorting them makes my drawer access time very quick. I need blue, I reach in and grab a pair of blue and close the drawer.

In good sunlight on a Saturday morning I can easily sort them socks in ten minutes so then my drawer access time is down to a second and a half maybe. If I did not sort them it would probably take up to a minute.

20 pairs of socks to sort plus daily removal time equals 10 minutes and 30 seconds.
Unsorted plus 1 minute to pull a pair equals 20 minutes.

I defrag weekly (and sort my socks every two weeks) and it takes 9 minutes to defrag 33gb using WinME defrag on my Win98 machine. It used to take 45 minutes to do 13gb using Win98 defrag.
I use Maintenance Wizard so my defrag time includes the Scandisk time too.

The first defrag is like cleaning your messy room. It is going to take a while but if after that you keep it neat it only takes a couple of minutes.

(My long story)


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Response Number 10
Name: Derek
Date: December 17, 2001 at 17:30:35 Pacific
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If you haven't done so already, get a copy of Win ME defrag, it's much faster and can be copied straight over the W95 or W98 version.

Maybe you have too many spurious programs running which keep starting up. Turn off as many as possible, including virus checkers and screen savers. If all else fails try it in Safe Mode.

The point is "defrah makes your machine go faster".


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Response Number 11
Name: Dave357
Date: December 17, 2001 at 17:44:55 Pacific
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My buddy's HD was FULL...he tried to DL a new screensaver & couldn't because of lack of disk space. I went over to his place a week ago & helped him get rid of a lot of junk files, cleaned his temp, cookies, index.dat, etc. Got rid of all the games that his kids no longer played. Tried to defrag, but it was going nowhere fast, so we DL'd Win ME Defrag & tried again. It took over an hour, but when it was done we regained 1/4 of his HD space. Today he told me that he defragged last nite in about 5 minutes.

As stated above:
The first defrag is like cleaning your messy room. It is going to take a while but if after that you keep it neat it only takes a couple of minutes.


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Response Number 12
Name: Derek
Date: December 18, 2001 at 15:34:38 Pacific
Reply:

......and of-course defrah is a very posh form of defrag (my post 10). Not it's not, it was a typo!


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