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Name: Derek
Date: November 4, 2006 at 13:36:43 Pacific
OS: W98SE
CPU/Ram: Athlon 1800+/512M
Product: ASRock mobo
Comment:

See this website:

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/b...

On the left you see a drawing of a steam engine and some carriages. Single click the last carriage (semi royal). At centre screen you should see the internal details, which you pan using a scroll bar just below it.

What I'm hoping is that both a W98SE user and a WinXP user would kindly try this for me because I am trying to determine whether this is a duff website or whether there is some peculiarity of either W9x or my machine.

On my W98SE it displays an effect rather like line hold problems on an old TV, or a computer monitor refresh set too high. If I save it as a website offline then it is exactly the same.

I've found two ways to fix it. One is to right click the picture and select Properties. The other (offline only) is to change the picture width from 3000 to 2730 in the html file. Effectively it is an oversized jpg but for some reason it goes out of range when set at 2371 or above.

Anyone care to try? Thx.

DerekW



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Response Number 1
Name: Derek
Date: November 4, 2006 at 14:12:09 Pacific
Reply:

... sorry, figures reversed. I meant 2731 or above (in last line).

DerekW


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Response Number 2
Name: dave01
Date: November 4, 2006 at 15:15:23 Pacific
Reply:

Looks fine to me. Win98SE and using Opera
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Response Number 3
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 4, 2006 at 15:16:58 Pacific
Reply:

Derek

I am running Win98SE with 1152x864 resolution and full color depth on 2 mb cable connection. EVERYTHING on that site seems to look and work just fine for me.


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Response Number 4
Name: jboy
Date: November 4, 2006 at 15:30:28 Pacific
Reply:

Hunky dory under XP, with FF1.5 & IE6 - a little 'shearing' with IE, but I'm using my 'toy' Dell

Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock


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Response Number 5
Name: Derek
Date: November 4, 2006 at 15:53:39 Pacific
Reply:

OK folks thanks, looks like I've some weirdo problem to solve. I forgot to mention I was using IE61 but it seems jboy was using that anyway.

I've tried different refresh rates, screen resolutions and reduced hardware acceleration. I suppose it might just be my grubby old video card although it's hard to make anything fit the symptoms too well. Seems more like some sort of graphics width problem.

Any further thoughts welcome of-course.

I should be riding the thing tommorow so I guess real-life will be far better. I'll drink to you!

DerekW


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Response Number 6
Name: Dave357
Date: November 5, 2006 at 11:21:52 Pacific
Reply:

98SE & IE6 on an old laptop with a crummy video card & 800 x 600 resolution...

Everything seem fine.

HTH

Dave

If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked?


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Response Number 7
Name: trek1701A
Date: November 5, 2006 at 11:57:46 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,

Site works fine on my xp system at a resolution of 1024 by 768 refresh rate of 60.
Tested with both IE6 & Opera 9.02.



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Response Number 8
Name: Derek
Date: November 5, 2006 at 13:30:29 Pacific
Reply:

#6 totally proves the point. I might try Firefox before I delve further, just to see if it's my IE that's gone fussy.

DerekW


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Response Number 9
Name: Derek
Date: November 5, 2006 at 16:31:32 Pacific
Reply:

Update: OK using Opera.

DerekW


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Response Number 10
Name: Derek
Date: November 5, 2006 at 17:16:42 Pacific
Reply:

... more. OK using IE6 if I set down from
"True Color (32 bit)" -to- "High color (16 bit)".

If anyone is still watching I'd be interested in whether it is OK on your W98SE IE61 when set to 32 bit color.

Thx


DerekW


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Response Number 11
Name: mr.spock
Date: November 5, 2006 at 17:41:37 Pacific
Reply:

I can only go to 24 bit color on this machine but still displays ok. My other 98SE machine with 32 bit works good too. Both tested with IE6 and firefox 2.0


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Response Number 12
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 5, 2006 at 21:09:29 Pacific
Reply:

98SE and IE 5.5; Radeon 7000 in 2X mode, 800 x 600, K6-III 450.

Some web pages do not display properly in IE 5.5.

Works fine in 16 bit, 360 degree scrolling works fine.

32 bit - works, but when I pan using the scrollbar when applicable, 1/3 to 1/2 half of the image changes at a time in rectangular chunks, takes about 1/3 second for the whole image to change at any particular position; jumpy transition from frame to frame, like it's skipping frames.
When I right click the picture and select Properties, then exit, it's better, still jumpy transition from frame to frame but the whole frame changes.
Weird.

I use Irfanview to view .jpg images, if that has any bearing on this.


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Response Number 13
Name: Derek
Date: November 6, 2006 at 11:23:12 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you "mr Spock" & "Tubesandwires"

Seems the jury is still out because so many folk seem to view it just fine. I can only theorise (and might well be wrong).

I understand that IE can be a bit fussy about html coding (image width often gets discussed). My feeling is that the website coding might be a bit borderline (ie not pedantically following the rules for IE). That would account for this strange effect whereby selecting Properties can fix it for some of us and that on my setup it was OK on Opera, even at 32 bit color. It would also tie in with the fact that I don't have any general problems with website images - just that one.

I guess it might vary with particular machines for all manner of reasons, software and hardware. In my case the webpage itself is fine but on 32 bit color the wide .jpg is just horizontal bars. My fiddling with one of the html files offline shows it gradually coming into synch as I reduce the setting towards the magic figure of 2730 wide. On 16 bit color it's fine with the original 3000 setting.

As a workaround I might stick to 16 bit color just in case some other website happens to have the same problem. Mostly I find it hard to see the difference when I switch to 32 bit anyway.

Thanks everyone for your inputs, which have been most useful. If I stumble across anything more convincing before this post dies I'll let you know.

[Train trip & meal came well up to expectations]


DerekW


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Response Number 14
Name: sekirt
Date: November 7, 2006 at 02:40:23 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Derek! Et al.

A little after the fact but perfect panning, Windows 98se, 16 bit setting, IE 6. Lately, sites with photos, IE doesn't always load them on the first try. I am surprised at how perfect this went!


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Response Number 15
Name: Derek
Date: November 7, 2006 at 11:25:24 Pacific
Reply:

Thx sekirt

Did you try 32 bit color - that seems to be my stumbling point on panning?

DerekW


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Response Number 16
Name: sekirt
Date: November 8, 2006 at 18:04:56 Pacific
Reply:

I didn't originally - but tried it just now at 32 bit. Refresh rate is a little slow but no problems panning. Resolution set at 800x600. Can't offer a solution but at least now you know the site is OK.



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Response Number 17
Name: Derek
Date: November 8, 2006 at 18:22:45 Pacific
Reply:

Thx sekirt

I guess it must be some hardware/software mix problem on my machine, or perhaps a bit borderline.

DerekW


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Response Number 18
Name: samsterhalo
Date: November 10, 2006 at 09:53:34 Pacific
Reply:

I need gm16.dls My computer won't function without it, I have a Windows 98 computer that was hit by a virus, it wiped out everything. When I reinstalled Windows It didn't give me back 'gm16.dls'

Please send me this file at: samsterhce@hotmail.com


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Response Number 19
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 10, 2006 at 11:58:42 Pacific
Reply:

There's no need to send you the file.

A search for gm16.dls found this:

"The Windows 98 version of DirectX (7.0 or higher) renames the gm16.dls file to gm.dls. so copy the gm.dls file and rename it to gm16.dls. worked for me !!!!!"

So - find gm.dls, copy it to another location, rename it to gm16.dls, copy gm16.dls to where gm.dls was.


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Response Number 20
Name: Derek
Date: November 10, 2006 at 12:21:34 Pacific
Reply:

samsterhalo

As gm16.dls is on the W98 CD, I sent it to you (before tubesandwires posted). You had better heed post #19 because just putting gm16.dls in c:\windows\system might not do the trick.

I understand that you only need the file if you are you're running the Microsoft soft synthesiser.

You went about this request in entirely the wrong way. This thread has nothing whatever to do with that file - you should always raise a new post.

Further, it is unwise to go around posting your email address in open text on the net without disguising it. The spammers engines will find it and could get junk mail forever.

DerekW


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Response Number 21
Name: Nikki
Date: November 16, 2006 at 06:41:58 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Derek,
Site worked fine for me - Win 98se, IE 6.0.2800. You know my other issues which is why I'm here. Going to post now for curiosity sake. Nikki


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Response Number 22
Name: Derek
Date: November 16, 2006 at 09:46:31 Pacific
Reply:

Nikki

Hi there. Nice change for me to have a problem that you don't, but did you try it using True Color (32 bit)?

No matter tho, my workaround using High Color (16 bit) will do - no noticeable difference to anything else anyhow.

It might be one of those wicked wrong version files somewhere that are so hard to track down.

DerekW


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Response Number 23
Name: Derek
Date: November 21, 2006 at 18:01:13 Pacific
Reply:

Just in case by some small chance anyone is still watching this post, I've an update and a fix.

Update:
Tried Firefox and it didn't work on either 16 bit or 32 bit color.

Fix:
Unearthed an old tweak for IE problems and ATI Rage 128 graphics cards, which had vanished from my system.ini file. Popped back the fix and now it runs fine in any old browser at either resolution.

It is a case of putting DevBMP=0 under
the heading [Display]

I originally had it there to fix an IE URL problem and it is a quite well known cure to IE lockups (which I've started getting ocassionally).

It must have got lost in some registry restore so I've bunged it in my backups too this time to make sure it stays put.

Thx again all, because your input verified that the problem was mine and not the website or some other W98SE IE61 issue.

I guess my graphics card is getting way too old.....

DerekW


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Response Number 24
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 22, 2006 at 07:22:39 Pacific
Reply:

Aha! Good to know.
I have several ATI Rage 128 graphics cards.
I used a Rage Fury for four years, and my Dad has one of the series in his computer. The others may be used in computers I'm going to give away. The Rage Fury was a breakthrough when it came out in 1999 - blew away the 3DFX cards. Great demo - Rage Dawning


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Response Number 25
Name: Derek
Date: November 22, 2006 at 10:51:12 Pacific
Reply:

Tubesandwires

If you Google DevBMP=0 you'll still find a stack of stuff out there about it, some of it quite ancient.

A couple of websites suggest it might slow things down marginally and one reckons it means your ATI driver is outdated. Most say it made no difference at all except for curing their IE lockup problem (or whatever).

It seems fine on mine so I'm not going to bother to rock the boat with later drivers that might or might not work.

DerekW


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Response Number 26
Name: Derek
Date: November 22, 2006 at 18:28:47 Pacific
Reply:

.... should have said that the ATI fix in #24 tells Windows to handle device bitmaps on its own instead of going through the hardware.

DerekW


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