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Name: Heather
Date: January 23, 2001 at 23:02:13 Pacific
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Hi all,
I have received conflicting advice about whether to turn off my computer every night or not. I was recently told that the best thing is to turn off the monitor if I want to save power but that to turn on my computer from the tower is the worst thing to do. I have also been told I should turn it off at least every few days.
Can anyone give me a definitive answer on this?



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Response Number 1
Name: ljk
Date: January 23, 2001 at 23:19:32 Pacific
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I have been turning mine off for over 2 years now (up to 6 times a day or more) ,wonder when something bad is going to happen?
I think it's a carry over from the business systems & computers from the 80's thru 1992 or so that were always left on.
The only wear & tear to speak of is mechanical which means the off-on switches and they're pretty well built these days.
It reminds of the one that got started about increasing battery life by storing them in the fridge.
The fact is that when batteries are stored at less than 65 degrees their life cycle is shortened.


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Response Number 2
Name: Piper
Date: January 23, 2001 at 23:23:02 Pacific
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There is no definitive answer on this one !
#1. Do a site search on the question.
OR
Go to : #60813 or #36148

I leave mine on all the time .


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Response Number 3
Name: thegorx
Date: January 24, 2001 at 02:11:08 Pacific
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if you're in windows use shutdown so not to damage files like the registry.

sometimes you have to reset or use the power switch.
if the system locks, but you should scandisk after and you might have to restore a registry backup.

Shutting down a computer is no big deal.
I've been shutdown my system daily for years.

TheGorx
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Response Number 4
Name: Dave C
Date: January 24, 2001 at 04:56:07 Pacific
Reply:

You leave your car running all night?
Do you keep the dryer running when there are no clothes in it?
How about keeping the heat on 70 when you are gone for the weekend?
Then why would you leave your computer running when it's going to go several hours without being used?


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Response Number 5
Name: nad
Date: January 24, 2001 at 05:39:34 Pacific
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if you decide to leave it on all the time, make sure you restart at least once a day so windows will make a backup into the .cab files that you can revert to in case of problems.


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Response Number 6
Name: Q-bert
Date: January 24, 2001 at 06:27:42 Pacific
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Turn it off. You save nothing by leaving it on all the time. Turning it off will NOT shorten the life of your equipment


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Response Number 7
Name: MindsEye
Date: January 24, 2001 at 07:31:10 Pacific
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I guess it's a personal preference. I only turn my pc off if I am going to be away from it for an extended period of time. When I turn it off I do a normal shutdown but instead of using the power switch on the pc I use the switch on the power bar I have everything plugged into. That way I know everything is off. I think when you leave it on the main wear and tear is on the fans. So ... it is up to you whether you turn it off or leave it on.


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Response Number 8
Name: imagehere
Date: January 24, 2001 at 09:13:20 Pacific
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If you live in CA, they turn it off for you


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Response Number 9
Name: name
Date: January 24, 2001 at 09:17:56 Pacific
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There is SOME validity to the theory that leaving equipment on all the time saves shutdown/startup surges that cause failures. But there is other sides, too. If the fan(s) quit, the temp goes up and starts cooking components, like the power supply and cpu. Also, if you get a power glitch, and where I am that's about twice a month, it might as well be off. My advice? Buy a switched power strip of good quality, and turn it off at the power strip. It won't protect against lightening direct hits, but having the switch off will protect against some surges. Most of these, by the way, are called surge protectors or surge arrestors--don't you believe it. Very few "surge protectors" really are. The only GOOD way I know of to protect against serious surges is a UPS, and some of them (consumer retail) may not be that good, either.


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Response Number 10
Name: Blazer
Date: January 24, 2001 at 11:18:43 Pacific
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This question always gets more responses than it deserves . I mostly leave mine on with maximum powerdown after a specified time.

This is one is an interesting response :
Turning a machine on and off frequently
has a side effect called thermal cycling.
Components heating up and cooling down is
said to be one of the largest contributors
to component failure. I have seen unsecured
boards "creep" up out of their slots and burn out board and slot.

Also see:

http://www.lcsc.edu/it/computer_shutdown.htm


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Response Number 11
Name: Heather Braun
Date: January 24, 2001 at 11:21:58 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks everyone...I appreciate the input! So basically...still two points of view.
Larry sent me an email with the following info:
The PC power question boils down to wearing out components by leaving the
system on versus jolting the system with electricity through frequent on and
off cycles. The biggest stress on any electrical system is turning it on.
Bruce Drenning, network engineer for DPSC Technology Consultants, says
turning on any electrical appliance produces an initial electrical spike
that is generally three times higher than the amount of electricity needed
to power the appliance. You've witnessed this phenomenon if the lights in
your home ever dimmed when you turned on a hair dryer. Light bulbs tend to
blow with that initial spike of electricity produced when you turn them on.
The more frequently you flip the switch on and off, the shorter the bulb's
life. Leaving it on all the time protects the bulb from that spike, but it
will still eventually burn out. The same is true of your PC, which tends to
be particularly sensitive to that initial electrical spike.

Thermal stress is another startup problem for your PC and another good
reason to leave it on. When the PC comes on, the components heat up and
expand. When turned off, they cool down and contract. This cycle of thermal
stress is more detrimental to the life span of your PC and is more of an
immediate threat than the individual components wearing out. Another school
of thought says that the parts wear out anyway, so there is no reason to
waste electricity by leaving your PC on all the time. Steven Koch, technical
services engineer with Sony, advises keeping damage from the initial power
surge in perspective. Jostling your computer in a move, smoking around it,
and dropping it are all far more damaging than turning it off and on, he
says.
Monitoring Power.

While there's no general consensus on PCs, manufacturers and technical
support people say if you plan to leave your monitor for more than two
hours, you should turn it off or put it in sleep mode. This special setting
leaves the monitor on in a low power mode. Newer operating systems let you
program how long your monitor can be left unattended before "going to
sleep."

A monitor running at full power consumes nearly as much power as a PC, which
can significantly increase your electric bill. Figures vary considerably,
but monitors in use can consume 80 to 150 watts. Most monitors we checked
drew 8 to 15 watts in sleep mode. Turning off the monitor doesn't
necessarily stop the drawing of power altogether. Any appliance with a
memory setting and no battery backup will continue to draw 3 to 8 watts even
when turned off. Monitors that let you set the screen width, for example,
will preserve that setting when they're off, but to do it they need power.
Without this feature, you have to reset the monitor each time you turn it
on. Koch says the amount of power monitors draw is such a concern in the
industry that Sony is working on a monitor with a zero watt switch. The
monitor draws close to zero watts and is as close to unplugging it as you
can get without actually pulling the plug.

Power saving features similar to these are a key feature in green PCs. The
housing and internal components of these PCs are built with recyclable
materials. Features such as low energy sleep modes let green PCs run
constantly with a negligible effect on electric bills. Smart monitors, which
meet the guidelines set by the Video/Electronic Standards Association
(VESA), have four stages in which the monitor gradually uses less power.
These monitors can be programmed through operating systems that comply with
Display Power Management Signaling (DPMS) standards. The first DPMS stage is
on and functioning - either the monitor is in use or the screen saver is
engaged. In this stage, the monitor draws peak power. In the standby stage,
the monitor draws 50% less power and offers a fast reaction to input; it
responds almost immediately to mouse movement. In the suspend (or sleep)
stage, the picture tube is actually off, and the monitor draws 10 to 15
watts.

To get out of suspend, you must press the PC's wake-up or sleep button.
Because the picture tube was off, the monitor will slowly grow brighter just
as it does when you first power up for the day. The final stage is off, but
the monitor has not been physically switched off by the user. The circuitry
is still active, and the monitor is drawing 3 to 7 watts. Newer
Windows-based operating systems offer the configurations that determine how
much time elapses before the monitor gradually powers down.

If your monitor lacks the power-down features outlined above, the easiest
way to prolong its life is to turn it off each day. Monitors are subject to
thermal stress, but the life span of a monitor is inversely related to the
amount of time it is on. The longer it's on, the shorter its life span.
Young Bae, product manager for CTX International, says monitors are far less
sensitive to the power spike than PCs, and the secret to monitor longevity
is turning it off daily. You should also turn your monitor off or put it in
sleep mode because phosphor, the chemical lining in the tube in your
monitor, has a limited life. When the screen is on, the phosphor glows to
produce the on-screen image. Years ago a static image on the screen would
bum itself permanently into the phosphor, producing persistent "ghost"
images. Monitor makers warned us to keep the images moving on the screen or
shut off the monitor. Although burn-in technically is still possible, Koch
laughingly says that the image would have to be on your screen for about 12
years before burning in! Monitors have a finite amount of phosphor, however,
and as the monitor ages, the phosphor grows dimmer and dimmer. You will
enhance the life of the phosphor significantly by putting the monitor in
sleep mode, using a darkened screen saver, or turning the monitor off when
it is not in use.

Which Comes First?

If you turn off your PC, monitor, and other hardware such as printers and
scanners every day, several monitor manufacturers suggest turning on the
monitor first when you restart everything. Bae explains that the PC's
operating system will query the monitor about its identity, and it's
possible that the operating system won't interface properly with the monitor
if it can't find it during the initial search. That is a rare problem, but
you can avoid the possibility by turning on your monitor first. Koch says
one Sony system specifically requires that the computer be turned on first,
but with most systems, you may turn on the monitor first.
Many users want to power up and power down their PCs and related hardware
with a single switch. Manufacturers and technicians we interviewed agreed
that shutting off the entire configuration at the power strip isn't a
problem as long as you follow the shutdown procedure for your operating
system.

Operating System.

That software step is a critical one for any system shutdown. Failing to
shut down the operating system can damage files and produce a long delay
when you turn on your PC again. The wait will be similar to the delay
experienced when you restart the PC after an abrupt loss of power, which is
essentially what your operating system suffers when shut down improperly. To
do things right, click the Start button in Windows 95 and choose Shut Down.
In Windows 3.1, choose Exit Windows from Program Manager's File menu.

Even if you regularly put your computer to sleep or leave it on, Drenning
advises shutting down and restarting the operating system regularly. The
longer you go without rebooting (restarting), the more likely a crash
becomes. Your PC regularly creates temporary files while running. These
files are normally discarded when you shut down the operating system, but if
you never reboot, the temporary files get huge, and the entire system will
run sluggishly. Drenning advises performing a warm reboot once a day, and,
at minimum, once every three days to clear the cache (memory that stores
frequently used data) and regular memory. A warm reboot occurs when you push
the Reset button on the PC's case or restart the operating system without
shutting off the PC. A cold reboot involves physically turning off the PC.

Another kind of software shutdown is important for PCs connected to a
network. Network users probably log out at the end of each day, if not turn
off the system entirely. Dr. Mark Misic, director of information systems &
communication services for the College of Business at Northern Illinois
University, says server software (which runs a network) cannot be upgraded
when individual users are online and using it. Just think of the problems
that could arise if you tried upgrading software on your PC while using the
application.

Individuals who leave applications open during a network hardware change
cause problems for the server itself. Before a network hardware change, a
complete backup of everything on the server is necessary. If individual
users have files open at the time of the backup, it's possible that the
server won't read or back up the open file, or the server may simply hang up
at that point. The choices for network users are obviously more restrictive
than those for users of single PCs. On your desk, the only real shut down
requirement is to regularly restart the operating system to avoid crashes
and sluggish performance. You have the power to make your own policy on the
other power questions.



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Response Number 12
Name: Blazer
Date: January 24, 2001 at 15:19:20 Pacific
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Although lengthy , Heather answering her own question is the best coverage I've seen on this issue in this forum and I will keep it for future reference. Ole'


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Response Number 13
Name: NightShade
Date: February 21, 2001 at 15:35:59 Pacific
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ok here it is, there is no definate awnser. It is pretty much just up to you, I leave my 7 computers on all the time, there is no particualr reason why, its just much easier./ (plus the room i am in has no heat... so I use this :) ) They don't really use that much power, the monitors are what suck the most juice.. I have mine susped after 40 minutes of inactivity, I also have no powerdown on the disk drives


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