Likewise Garbage in = garbage out. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

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"It is also set on slave with the boot drive set to master and both are on seperate cables." If they're on separate cables perhaps you could try setting both to master. The bootable drive should be on the primary cable and be Primary Master in the BIOS and the other drive should be on the second cable and should be Secondary Master. Both drives would be positioned on the very end slots of the cable. Does that make sense? Windows 98SE HP Pavillion Celeron 533MHz HDD 10GB + 4GB 64MB RAM Antiquated & Poor Quality Runs like a dream.

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Alternatively you can have both on the same cable with the bootable on the very end as Master and the other one in the middle as Slave. Windows 98SE HP Pavillion Celeron 533MHz HDD 10GB + 4GB 64MB RAM Antiquated & Poor Quality Runs like a dream.

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"Likewise Garbage in = garbage out". So..I guess that would make you a garbage can jboy? Tyran, Tried that too. Doesn't help...If the files were password protected is it possible that the problem lies in that area? Bon

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Trying to solve your problem based on the cryptic and misleading information you've posted is hardly worth the effort. Whatever desire to help there was has been quickly dispelled by your idiocy & ignorance I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

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Awh, you kids and your XP. If 9x was good enough for my pappy and grandpappy, it's good enough for me. Us rubes here don't understand all that XP stuff. If the drive works OK in one computer but is seen as not formatted in another it's probably because the bios is seeing it differently. Put the drive back in the old computer, boot up, go into cmos and see how it's identfied there. See what it says for cylinders, heads and sectors. Then enter those values in the cmos in the new computer. Either that or the cable is bad or loose.

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You formatted the drive. Was it as fat 16. And the PC you are trying to use it in is 95 but fat 32. Could be this is why it wont let you access it.

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Again...garbage in garbage out...I don't want your help...help? By the way that last post was written, your the type of person that needs a good swift kick in the behind. I guess we're all not as smart as you eh? Thanks again for wasting my time and have a very nice day! Bon.

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I would have thought that if the files were password protected they wouldn't have been accessible while installed in the original computer either... Hopefully somebody else can help further - I'm pretty much a beginner myself... If nobody could come up with a better idea and you really need the files you could try putting the drive back in the original computer as master along with the good bootable you're using now as slave and copying the files over that way... After that you could try re-partitioning and formatting the drive and using it for extra storage... All depends what you're trying to accomplish. Best of Luck Tracey Windows 98SE HP Pavillion Celeron 533MHz HDD 10GB + 4GB 64MB RAM Antiquated & Poor Quality Runs like a dream.

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leave the drive in the pc you are going to use it in. Then use a startup floppy disk and reformat the slave drive from there. Then restart the pc and see if you can access it then.

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"I guess we're all not as smart as you eh? " Heh - it would sure seem that you're not, anyways. Things progress more smoothly here if you work with the folks offering suggestions, not argue with them. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

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Death, I don't want to format the drive , I want to access the information that is there now. Also, even if it was fat16, will it not be seen by fat 32? DAVEINCAPS, values are the same. I wrote the information down from original bios before removing it. Tryan, never thought of that, may have to go about it this way. It may work, I just thought there may be an easier way to go about it. This drive was on a network so I'm assuming there was a password... Bon.

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Jboy...The only one i'm arguing with is you so...can you go somewhere else? I want to figure out this problem. Thanks As always, with much sympathy, Bon

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"I just thought there may be an easier way to go about it." I can't tell you how many "five minute jobs" I have set out to do that have turned into five hour ordeals and I swear and mutter to myself that "this should be SIMPLE!". Perhaps with time and practice I will have more joy. Keep us posted on your progress. Tracey Windows 98SE HP Pavillion Celeron 533MHz HDD 10GB + 4GB 64MB RAM Antiquated & Poor Quality Runs like a dream.

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Well, good luck - apparently you'll need it. Your 'sympathy' notwithstanding, a little work on your social skill seems to be in order I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

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Tryan, I know exactly what your talking about...i've responded to your post about the conexant modem...went through the same thing last week, so if I can help you with this I will try my best! Bon

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Not sure if FAT 16 will be seen by FAT 32. But just had a thought. Can you access the drive if you boot into safe mode? Hit F5 at boot up before you see the windows splash screen to get into safe mode. Not saying it will work but worth a go.

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Jboy, you just don't get it do you? I DON'T WANT YOUR QUIPS, QUOTES OR BELLIGERENT TONE! AGAIN, LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE. Hmmm, maybe you need the help... Bon

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Where's Justin when we need a grown-up?

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If the drive is partitoned fat32 and the 95 version you're running on the system now is an older one that doesn't see fat32, that may be the problem. Does it have a drive overlay on it? Run fdisk, Y to large disk support, then use option 5 to go to the questionable drive. Then option 4. Exactly what does it say?

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Good question Jennifer... FAT32 will read FAT32, FAT16 and FAT12. Assuming that drive works in the machine it came out of, it's either misconfigured or misinstalled. Without knowing exactly how it is installed and jumpered, it's anyone's guess. Some machines want master/slave configurations and some want cable select. How about details of the system it came out of, details about the system it wont work in, how you have it connected and how you have it jumpered? We have absolutely zero information from you at this point and you take offense at the garbage in...garbage out comment? You're gonna run off anyone who wants to help you with this attitude. You might want to start over. Skip

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Bon, Jboy is one of the more knowledgeable and well-respected contributors on this Win9x forum and several others as well. It is you who is out of line here. Why do you continue to resist efforts to help? Go into fdisk, check the drive, and report the information back here, as you have already been asked to do by two contributors. Also, what is the EXACT operating system installed on your boot drive? Win95 came in four major distributions...Win95 Original, Win95A, Win95B, and Win95C. Win95 Original Release and Win95A were not capable of recognizing FAT32 partitions. Large disc support was only added in Win95B and Win95C. This is probably the cause of your problems, but with you being so unwilling to supply any additional information, it's a bit of a "mind-reading" exercise. Garbage in--garbage out. Drop the attitude & post back the additional information. We'll be happy to help you sort this out. HTH Dave If a Man is talking in the forest and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

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>it also shows the drive to be full and empty at the same time. As Jboy replied... >... right - you may want to explain that. Where, exactly is the drive being reported as full & empty. In fdisk, Windows Explorer, My Computer, or...??? Dave

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"full and empty at the same time." I too, would like to have that explained a little more. Are there two entries for the drive in Windows Explorer where one entry shows as Zero used and zero free and the other shows some data? I woke up this morning and I didn't know what time it was. My wife said, "look at the clock". I said, "mind your own business and keep your attitide to yourself". The funeral is tomorrow. Jboy is a good helper. Some people; huh? Bryan

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Thanks guys, I'll figure it out myself. Bon

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That's the smartest thing you've said.

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Yet another of those posters that kinda thinks he half knows the answer, so refuses to accept anything else. I see no reason to argue, for example, with the harmless use of fdisk in order to gain information in order to help diagnose the problem. If the poster thought (wrongly) this would loose data then he could have asked that question. The use of "this" drive and "that" drive in the original post was a masterpiece of how not to convey information. Rudely suggesting that jboy hadn't read the post properly is no way to behave when seeking help. I think some posters imagine this is a free service paid from taxes, rather than folks from all over the world pitching in to try and help them for free. Post #32 was spot on. Derek.W

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If clear expression is an indicator of clear thinking, guess what blithering indicates. The OP has managed toalienate jboy; and that ain't easy. I think the early / late 95 is about right. Bon, as far as I know there's no "ownership" in 9x. Keep in mind that winders picks one of a number of canned msgs to respond to any given situation. And sometimes gets it wrong. As far as "full and empty"...That pretty much defies comment. While we're at it, the siplest way to get partition info, rather than talking the owner through the fdisk menus is: fdisk /status and it eliminates the possibilities of getting it wrong inside fdisk. Not to mention avoiding the chance of an uninformed user hosing up existing partitions. Derek, Everything back to normal in merry 'ol England? Tracey, I though I was the only one who turns five minute deals into five hour fiascos. ;) M2

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lol, I guess it's a more common ailment than I thought :)

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Hi First what are both drives and what system have you installed them in. As a quick test, drop the troublesome drive in as master. Hopefully it wasn't from an older Compaq or the like. You will need to run Fdisk to sort that out, if that's the case. Next - its a help forum, but those who use a sharp barbed tounge should expect a reaction every now and again. Some people are sensitive, more than usual, when things have "exploded on the benchtop". In this case, I think it was very unfair that jboy got yelled at. But then, once you have a reputation, those sort of things tend to happen. In jboys defence, one expects a member to have looked though a few sample questions, and worked out actual error messages are important. Simple tests/diagnostics are important. No-one cares for the Psychic Diagnostic Method, wheather in the same room or half way around the world. " also shows the drive to be full and empty at the same time." Importantly, what indicated this. Is it a graph or...

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"And, why would i want to run fdisk when i know the disk runs fine in another system." That statement makes me wonder if Daytona even knows the function of fdisk and/or how to use it.

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this may sound stupid. wont be the first time i have done that LOL. but what happens if you take the win 95 drive,.and put it into the second PC by ITSELF.. with no other drive in it.. will it boot up so you are able to read it then??..if youa re. then obviously it has to do with the 2 HD together.. just a suggestion..

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Ignore this folks. Just trying an idea to get an automatic red signature (well, at least it makes this wasted post of some value). Congrats welcome if my "Guess your way through HTML" actually works. Derek.W

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