hi friends and giudes, i think some background info why ithe jumpers were shifted is relevant; i got the computer assembled out in singapore in 1999; and as it came with an "OEM" vibra16 clone card. unlike the original card the jumpers are not tagged as DSA or ISO or MSEL or JYEN which make the meaning clearer. unfortunatesly the card has W1 w2 etc tags. when i tried to use the computer with a musical instrument using the linein jack it failed. that time i didnot have an idea of the jumpers. thinking that the card is not good i replaced the same with an original creative card CT4810 a PCI card. this year i bought a new Piv machine and like all modern monsters it comes with aonboard realtek sound. i disabled the onboard audio and shifted the PCI card to the new machine. when i fitted the old ISA card in the old PII computer, it booted with sound. ; i wanted to add the instrument inout , i removed the card the tried to change the speaker output and audio connection jumpers (see the dell support edoc and similar pages: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/acc/9624P/En/connect.htm and when i connected the card back, it is now an adlib fm synthesiser! i tried to go back to the orinal settings I there are 7 jumper tabs) I am making a gif drawing and posting in yahoo groups for further analysis as i am not sure how to post a picture in this forum regarding your other questions: 1) yes this compiuter (pII machine) had the PCI creative card; but that is history as i wiped the whole disk clean and reloaded the win98SE. 2) yes i connected the ISA card "after" setting-up the windows; 3) the card has no CT number ( only the main chip has "Vibra 16 creative TEch 94 CT2501-TCQ 9452" printed on it; there is no yamaha chip; for FM it used M-tron 4) the card is not detected through PNP; it is detected in the process of "add new hardware" non plug and play; 5) i tried to "force" the card as CREATIVE SB16 or AWE 32 using the creative sb16awe32.inf; thought the driver is loaded with automatic (as well as my manually configured Based configuration 0001) correctly for 220h, I5, D1 (D7 330 for mpu); the computer doesnot recognise the card saying the card is not present or drivers are not loaded. then if you select "detect hardware" it detects ADlib. i think as this is a clone card, it shouldbe designeed to emulate different card ids either through a separate jumperset or thoug the Address selected (220 to 260h for creative) 380 for Adlib?????? 6) it has a 40 pin connecter each for IDE, Pana(sonic), MIT(sumi) and 34 pin connector for sony. there is also a 26 pin connector marked as Ji (no company name associated with this) 7) Jumper locations A) there are two jumpers W9 and W10 next to the main connectors b) there is a jumper W2 between the Main chip and the M-tron. C) another Jumper W11 is located near the the other end of the m-tron. d) a 3-set (that is 3 X 2) jumper is marked W8 located close to the main ISA connecting strip. (hope i am converying the meaning!) e)another 3 X 2 jumper is marked w4 close to the volume knob f) just next to this is another jumper W3 and G) finally there is a 8 pin jumper W5 just next to the mic and Line-in points just adjacent to W3 and W4. I HAVE DONE ABOUT 15 trials WITH DIFFERENT JUMPER SETTINGS: THE MAIN outcome IS A) WITH NO JUMPERS IT IS IDENTIFIED AS adlib. B) WITH JUMPERS IN w8 (CLOSING 1-2 AND 5-6) IF NY OTHER JUMPER w9, w10 w2 OR W11 CLOSED THE MACHINE ON BOOTING UP HAS THE MOUSE AND KEYBOARD LOCKED UP. THE ONLY WAY TO SHUT DOWN THE MACHINE IS RESET! OR POWER OFF! C) REFERRING TO http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/SBLAST16/00000003.htm I THOUGHT THE W3 AND W5 ARE FOR AUDIO (EXTERNAL AMPLIFER?) WELL THE TRIAL IS CONTINUING! REGARDS NEELAKANTAN

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I have never seen any Vibra card that was not made by Creative, but on the other hand Creative bought out Equisonic not long after these SB16 cards were made - it could be there was a Vibra that they bought out long before that. Most Vibra cards were oem only cards - a cheaper solution you usually didn't see Retail - you got them from computer parts places or when a smaller vendor built your system or many were supplied to brand name builders such as Dell, PBell, Compaq, HP, etc. In the latter days of SB16, a few Vibra cards were available Retail. The General jumper and connector info I pointed you to does not have everything in it I have seen on Vibra or Creative branded boards, but it has most of them. The problem is the original docs that came with most of the cards are no longer on the web. I will mull over the other stuff in your last post and see what else I can come up with.

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My conclusion: I suggest you forget about using this card which may very well be damaged depending on what you connected to it and get yourself an ISA Creative Soundblaster or Vibra card that has jumper labels you can find the meanings of - they are plentiful and cheap on the web and locally at used parts places - they cannot be used on most more recent mboards because they have no ISA slots, so they are discarded ......... "the main chip has Vibra 16 creative TEch 94 CT2501-TCQ 9452" Your Vibra chip was obviously made by Creative, even if the card does not have a CTxxxx model number. The card was probably also made by Creative as I have never seen another makers card other than Creative Sound Blaster and Vibra with Creative and Creative model numbers on a chip. However I have found no reference so far for your oddball jumper labelling. I have a Vibra CT2800 card that has a chip labelled Vibra 16s Creative Tech 94 CT2504-TCQ 9509 - slightly newer? "when i fitted the old ISA card in the old PII computer, it booted with sound. ; i wanted to add the instrument inout" "when i tried to use the computer with a musical instrument using the linein jack it failed." The line in jack is meant for quite small inputs, such as that from an FM radio, or a cassette player - the musical instrament may have inputted too much power and you may have damaged the card at that point. It is possible only part of the card worked after that point. If it has a Spkr out, Line out is the unamplified output, Spkr out is the amplified output. When you want to connect an instrament, if it has MIDI connectors, you are supposed to use the low level MIDI inputs and outputs, and connect then to the gameport on the sound card using a MIDI to gameport wiring adapter (15 pin male D-sub to two male MIDI DIN connectors) - the gameport is wired to be compatible with MIDI. "..thinking that the card is not good.." You got sound from it before - you may have damaged it when you plugged in the instrament. What did you plug in? "i got the computer assembled out in singapore in 1999" Many Creative Sound Blaster and Vibra cards were made in Singapore. Adlib was an early competitor with Creative - after the earlier models Creative made their cards Adlib compatible, so some detection software finds an Adlib - that's not surprising. If it only partially works, it's not surprising it finds only an Adlib compatibility. "the card is not detected through PNP" I already knew that - none of the Creative cards, or any other make I know of, with multiple cd drive data cable connectors were P&P. P&P didn't exist when those proprietary drives were popular. "there is no yamaha chip; for FM it used M-tron" It's possible not all Creative Vibra or Soundblaster cards had Yamaha chips - some may have had chips that emulated them, or that didn't. Are you sure the M-tron is an FM chip? "there is also a 26 pin connector marked as Ji (no company name associated with this)" Use a magnifying glass next time - it's probably either J1 or J7, and it's wave table connector - at that time you could get add on wavetable cards. Since you have an IDE connector, at least some of the jumpers probably set at least the I/O port for IDE, which if set wrong may conflict with at least your mboard secondary IDE, or the I/O port setting may conflict with other things on the Pentium and up mboards - these cards were first developed when mboards were for 486's or less and had only one Primary IDE connector. The early SB16 cards may have been meant for mboards without secondary IDE, and some jumpers on the card may be for the IRQ of the IDE which if set to IRQ 15 will conflict with the secondary IDE on the mboard. Or the card may have no IRQ jumpers for the IDE and is set to 15 and will conflict with the secondary IDE on the mboard unless it is disabled at the I/O port connector. I have never seen a SB16 family Creative card that has a volume thumbwheel, although earlier pre SB16 models had them. .... This is not a SB16 card - it's a Sound Blaster Live! Value Sound Card which is PCI and much newer than what you have. Does not apply. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/acc/9624P/En/connect.htm This is a newer SB16 card, and a Creative Sound Blaster model, not a Vibra model. And check your links before you post them. This does not work directly http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/SBLAST16/00000003.htm This does http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/SBLAST16 Then you click on jumpers switches controls ...... In case you didn't know, to type long lines of text in capital letters on the web is considered equivalent to SHOUTING and very RUDE! ...... All sound cards that emulate or that are SB16 conform to at least the more common Creative I/O specs, same as here: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/SBLAST16 Then you click on Specifications Without knowing what the jumper/connector labels mean you are taking shots in the dark when you change jumper settings. I have found no reference for your oddball jumper labelling. If it is a Creative card as I suspect, the connectors/jumpers may be in the same places as on a Creative card I can find references for. A picture or diagram from you would help a lot. You can post pictures here, but I personally don't know how, and your own settings here must allow you to see pictures. A link to a picture or diagram elsewhere would be okay. .....

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The problem in your first post could have been easily cured by common IRQ conflict troubleshooting methods. The slot you moved the sound card to probably didn't have IRQ 5 available (each slot has a different priority of which IRQ's are available, in a specific order), and/or the network card was using IRQ 5 - since the sound card was jumpered to IRQ5 and is not P&P it couldn't use another IRQ, but the network card probably can if it is P&P. Many non P&P ISA cards and some P&P ISA and PCI cards don't get along with sharing IRQ's, so one or both cards that use the same IRQ may not work. There are various ways to remedy that. The first thing to try is to simply put the sound card back in the slot it was in and put the P&P network card in another slot. If the sound card then works and the network card doesn't try the network card in another slot, etc. If the sound card doesn't work in the slot it was in you could put the sound card in other slots more likely to have IRQ 5 available - usually they are closer to the center of the mboard - if that slot space is shared with a PCI slot that has a card in it, move the PCI card if you can, but don't use the last PCI one in the middle of the mboard if you can help it. You would have only had to change one jumper, if any at all. If you knew which jumpers change the IRQ the sound card uses and to what, you could have tried that, but IRQ 5 is most likely to work, and the other IRQ's available may conflict with something else using that IRQ, but to randomly change jumpers is foolish. If you look up the standard specs of the contacts in the ISA slot, which is often stated in many mboard manuals, or is easily found on the web, some of them are for the IRQ's, and the connector/jumper block to set IRQ's tends to be close to the contact edge of the card - often you can examine the circuit traces on the card from a connector/jumper block and find which pins go to the contacts for which of the IRQ's. There are also other things to try. The Adlib compatibilty probably doesn't require an IRQ, so it works even if there is a conflict with the IRQ of the other sound card features, or maybe even if you damaged other parts of the card circuits. If the IRQ is not available, or if you damaged other parts of the card circuits, all Windows will find is the Adlib compatibilty. But then you connected that instrament without a clue as to what you were doing - you probably didn't need to move any jumpers to do that - if the output from the instrament was of too high a power, you probably fried some of the circuits on the card.

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If you do get another ISA Creative Soundblaster or Vibra card , get a P&P one, without an IDE or other CD drive connector if you can, for the best chance of the card working no problem - if it is using an IRQ you don't want it to, you can easily change it to another if one is available by the method in response 5. If you get a P&P one with an IDE connector, you can have 5 drives connected on a standard 2 IDE connector mboard, a cd drive on the sound card with the possible support limitations I mentioned before, but often there are not enough IRQ's to do that, and even if you don't use the IDE connector on the card it will be using an IRQ and you are better off to disable the Creative IDE controller in Device Manager.

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hi thanks for the detailed advisory write-up; i am going through it again. a) the dell posting is just as sample; not the exact replica of the card i have; just to get a feel of warious jumper types and locations in the card b) yes i know the use of capitals is not nice; however to differentiate the point wise answers i used the block letters as i didnot see any smartwrite icons here (for italics or for changing the font!) c) i have also a doubt that there is some physical damage in the card; but i dont think it was caused by the connection of instrument; because the card worked well when i tried on the PII machine last week till i tried to change the line-in jumper! or probably it partly was damaged then. d)i made the sketch in visio45; i will convert into a simple gif and post in yahoo briefcase. regards neelakantan

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hi http://support.dell.com/support/sys... lists e-docs of manuals for many soundcards. regards neelakantan

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hi tubesandwires FYI: find below some e-docs for vibra16 soundcard in freaknet.org (a spanish site!); here the jumpers are marked W1 W2 etc and connector marked J1 J2 etc though the chip sets mentioned in the e-dcos are different from mine (CT2501 TCQ), i have some more understanding the 8 pin jumper marked as W5 is cdrom irq selector and the W9 W10 near the connectors are disabling the ide. http://medialab.freaknet.org/doc/Ha... http://medialab.freaknet.org/doc/Ha... regards neelakantan

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I still think you're wasting your time fiddling with this card - there are lots of other ISA Creative Soundblaster and Vibra cards in the SB16 family you can find all the information for, and they are very plentiful and cheap to buy. Both those documents appear to be a mixture of both English and Italian, not Spanish. Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese are all derived from Latin, so they have some words in common, but almost everthing in those docs translates best from Italian. Because the web pages are a mixture of Italian and English, when you translate from Italian into English, some English words remain the same, some words are translated into something other than what they should be, some words may not be translated because they are not in the "dictionary" the web translator is using, so you need to look at both the original and translated docs. And some words may be mis-spelled and do not translate, or do not translate properly. e.g. I/O in English = I/F in translated from Italian in translated from Italian no logon = nothing on, no jumper? Strongly amplification on SPK OUT = amplified output on SPR OUT There are many free web based translators on the internet Use these free web translators if you need to to translate from Italian to English. I used this one for the whole web page, but it also translates words, chunks of text: http://www.google.com/language_tool... This one is pretty good for words, chunks of text: http://www.FreeTranslation.com/free Not anywhere near all the info you need to is there, and there may not be enough there for you to be able to figure out how to get this card working, but I can make out some things. W1 - that card has a FM Radio tuner - yours may not. FM Synthesizer uses another I/O address from what the FM Radio does, the normal Creative SB16 one(s). That card uses the typical Yamaha OPL3 chip, or a chip that emulates that chip - yours may not. Set all the jumpers you can figure out to defaults, but in any case do this: Disable the IDE CDROM - W2, W3, put a jumper on both. Then you can ignore the CDROM IRQ setting on W4. (If you were to connect an IDE CD drive, never use IRQ 15 on a mboard with two IDE connectors.) The settings in the second doc may all be defaults?? If you can figure out by the process of elimination which connector/header is for the main card IRQ - W6?? - it is probably 8 pins - "IRQ lines: 2/9 Available (2nd interrupt controller 5 (default) audio Digital 7 Used by printer interface 10 Windows Sound System" The first doc lists IRQ 5 as the default - maybe the setting in the second doc for W6 is IRQ 5? NOTE that IRQ 5, or what ever IRQ you choose, must be available in Windows BEFORE the card is plugged in (Look in System Information - Hardware Resources - IRQ's) AND it must be available to the card in the slot it is plugged into (see Response 10 - IRQ troubleshooting). NOTE that if the card has an IRQ confict the conflicting IRQ may NOT show up in System Information - Hardware Resources - IRQ's, and there may be nothing about the card in System Information - Components - Problem Devices, and ALL the things that are trying to use the conflicting IRQ may not work. IRQ 5 is the best choice. IRQ 7 is often used by your printer, and even if it is available some programs won't recognize the sound if it is using IRQ 7. IRQ 2 or 9 are often used by something else - IRQ 9 is often used for the mboard ACPI support, and may or may not be listed in System Information. Even if it is available some programs won't recognize the sound if it is using that IRQ. IRQ 10 is the second best choice, if it is available. Apparently there is more info about this card in some Linux versions in: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/VIBRA16

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