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Name: shakushinnen
Date: March 16, 2006 at 10:39:04 Pacific
OS: 98se
CPU/Ram: pIII
Product: home made
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Hi,
I have an SCSI drive as my main drive, which I have backed up onto an IDE. Today I installed a program which I couldn't remove properly, so I decided to Ghost the contents of the IDE to the SCSI. It didn't fly, and what I ended up with was a bootable abortion that contained folders with really odd looking characters for file names. Needless to say, I'm sending this from the backup, IDE. I know this was sort of a dumb-ass thing to try, but...
I think the problem lies with telling the system that the ide is NOT the primary drive. How do I Ghost the contents of the IDE to the SCSI?
Thanks,
John



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Name: ham30
Date: March 16, 2006 at 11:18:04 Pacific
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Did you ghost to image the SCSI drive to the IDE drive? If not, what did you use?


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Response Number 2
Name: shakushinnen
Date: March 16, 2006 at 11:38:38 Pacific
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Hi Ham,
Yes I did ghost the SCSI onto the IDE, but now I want to do the reverse. I think the problem is that the SCSI is installed as the master and needs to be set as slave, which I don't know how to do.
John


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Response Number 3
Name: ham30
Date: March 16, 2006 at 13:36:20 Pacific
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Hi John.
SCSI drives don't have Master or Slave. They are identfied by numbers (0,1,2,3, etc).

I'm familiar with imaging programs, but I've never used Ghost. It's strange that it seems to have completed the imaging, but just messed up the folder/file names. I don't understand that unless Ghost just isn't compatible with SCSI drives.
Which version of Ghost are you using?



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Response Number 4
Name: Derek
Date: March 16, 2006 at 15:32:50 Pacific
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When you say "odd looking characters" do you by any chance mean DOS 8 character names, such as progra~1

?

DerekW


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Response Number 5
Name: shakushinnen
Date: March 16, 2006 at 15:36:30 Pacific
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Hi Ham,
I'm using version 7.0. It has worked flawlessly whenever I've ghosted from IDE to IDE, and from SCSI to IDE. But in both of those scenarios the "copy to" drive was an IDE, and configured as slave. I just figured that I need to be able to configure the SCSI to a 'slave like' role in order ghost the IDE image to it???
John


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Response Number 6
Name: ham30
Date: March 16, 2006 at 16:40:02 Pacific
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I too am interested in the filenames. Did they look something like
filena~1.ext
With a ~ and a number? That would indicate that they were saved with DOS file names and not the long windows file names.

I believe you are on the wrong track with your 'slave like' theory, John.

It evidently found the scsi drive and did the image, but just messed up the file names. I'm trying to find out if version 7 is compatible with SCSI drives.


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Response Number 7
Name: ham30
Date: March 16, 2006 at 17:00:12 Pacific
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John, I found the following web page:

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,12230,00.asp

It's refering to Ghost version 2000 (later version than 7). It says the following:

"Unfortunately, Ghost doesn't come with any DOS drivers, so if you have a network card and SCSI devices to support, you'll need to add DOS real-mode drivers yourself."

It looks to me like you will have to dig up the DOS SCSI drivers and put them on the ghost floppy.

But maybe someone else has a better idea.


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Response Number 8
Name: shakushinnen
Date: March 16, 2006 at 20:51:14 Pacific
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Hi Ham/Derek,
I don't know what a network card would have to do with it, but I don't have one. Maybe I do need dos drivers?? I took a picture of the file names. I can send it to you. I don't think I can post pictures? Thnaks for the reference. I'll check it out.
John


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Response Number 9
Name: ham30
Date: March 16, 2006 at 21:11:31 Pacific
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You could just hand copy a few and post them here. But if they aren't DOS short filenames as indicated above, I doubt if it will help.


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Response Number 10
Name: Woof
Date: March 17, 2006 at 01:11:51 Pacific
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Hmmm
I have ghosted from SCSI to IDE and back again many times with no problem, but I do an image rather than a copy using the GHOST personal edition that came with Norton Utilities 2002.

Woof

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Response Number 11
Name: shakushinnen
Date: March 17, 2006 at 08:27:53 Pacific
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Hi Ham/Derek
One of the directories names looks like:
_|_|_g|.Go+_

The keyboard won't really do these symbols, but that's roughly it, except that +_ shows up with the + above the _
Hi Woof,
Are you saying that you use Ghost without any problems? Do you do it from windows or DOS? I don't know the difference between an image and a copy. I just open ghost.exe from windows 98se, in my IDE, and follow the instructions. I do feel that the problem is that my SCSI drive is the primary drive and I am trying to copy to it(from the IDE) while it is operating. But no matter what I do I cannot stop the system from booting to the SCSI, even when I install the IDE as primary. May this does have to be done from DOS??
John


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Response Number 12
Name: ham30
Date: March 17, 2006 at 09:31:53 Pacific
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Ghost 2003 is available on Ebay for under $10.


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Response Number 13
Name: Woof
Date: March 17, 2006 at 09:51:57 Pacific
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I use it from a dos prompt, ie boot into dos rather than a window, 98 isn`t too happy with live ghosting so i just do mine from a dos boot, my scsi card is an adaptec uw2940 and as i say i do an image rather than disk to disk.

Woof

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Response Number 14
Name: shakushinnen
Date: March 17, 2006 at 13:46:03 Pacific
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Problem solved.
I have previously used Ghost only to backup my system from an IDE or SCSI drive. I have never tried to restore my system to the SCSI, only to an IDE (which I could set as slave). This worked fine in Windows, because I didn't need to go to true DOS, but when I had to restore to the SCSI I had to run Ghost from DOS. (It seems that when there's a functioning SCSI in the sytem, the board will INSIST on booting to that drive. I knew this but didn't know how to get around it, so what I was essentially doing was trying to Ghost an OS to an operating OS - not smart.) It only just occured to me that the way around this problem was to do the whole operation in pure DOS, thereby removing the OS from the equation.
Anyway, that's my explanation. I would apppreciate any comments or corrections to my theory. Thank you all for your help. I apologize for sending you on a wild goose chase.
John


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