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Name: bogey70
Date: January 31, 2007 at 09:24:19 Pacific
OS: WIN98
CPU/Ram: Celeron 512mb RAM
Product: HP8650c
Comment:

I have an old HP 8650c that I am trying to replace the harddrive in. It went blank one day after a power outtage and it kept telling me that there was no harddrive when I tried the recovery disk. So , I was told by a friend that the harddrive was fried and bought another one to install. I bought one the same size as the original 20.4gb and installed it. I inserted the recovery disk and it starts the recovery program and begins to inflate files....then quits and says the drive is out of space. I tried to boot from a Norton boot disk I created when the computer was new and can get nowhere wit that. I went to seagate website and downloaded a program called disk wizard since the new harddrive is a seagate and get the same results. Anybody have any ideas? In BIOS it recognizes the new harddrive and has the right model number listed.



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Response Number 1
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: January 31, 2007 at 09:52:07 Pacific
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"can get nowhere wit that"

"disk wizard since the new harddrive is a seagate and get the same results"

Not much info there.


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Response Number 2
Name: rhi
Date: January 31, 2007 at 10:31:07 Pacific
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Try a clean 98 re install and see if it helps...


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Response Number 3
Name: orbital
Date: January 31, 2007 at 11:35:52 Pacific
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As it is a HP it is quite likely the old drive had a hidden restore partition!


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Response Number 4
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 31, 2007 at 13:03:51 Pacific
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I inserted the recovery disk and it starts the recovery program and begins to inflate files....then quits and says the drive is out of space."

The replacement drive is probably used and already has data on it and it was nearly full when you started.

If you want to re-install the original HP software it tells you how to deal with that in this:

HP and Compaq Desktop PCs - Recovering the System after the Hard Drive Is Replaced
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...

Also see this search result if you need to - 8650c - recovery
http://h10061.www1.hp.com/ccsearch/...
......

By the way, you can probably install any hard drive size on this computer mboard up to at least 137gb (manufacturer's size; = 128gb in Windows and most bioses).
At least you can with this bios update:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...
(it doesn't matter what Windows operating system you are using).
.......

The Recovery disk that comes with this computer is not stand-alone and must be used with a hard drive with an intact original recovery partition that has the original data in it.

When you have a blank hard drive, or if you want to re-install the contents of the whole hard drive, you need a full Recovery Disk set. Is that what you're using?

HP has no significant software driver downloads for this model. If you are not installing the original HP software, we could point you to the required drivers.

You might want to diagnose the drive and make sure it's okay - you do that with Seagates's Seatools Desktop Edition.


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Response Number 5
Name: bogey70
Date: February 1, 2007 at 04:24:39 Pacific
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Now I'm really wondering what is going on. I had some time to fool with it yesterday and tried the old hard drive again. Guess what? It booted up and I ran the recovery cd! It was recovering all the files that I had on there and they were still there! Anyway...I really don't need this computer all that bad other than I'd like to recover the pictures and some other things I had of my grandkids.Anyway, I shut it down and go back about a half hour later and it shows no harddrive loaded now. This is all a learning experience for me and I find it interesting. I appreciate all the input I get here. Any ideas what might be causing this?


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Response Number 6
Name: JPW
Date: February 1, 2007 at 07:40:54 Pacific
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Replace the Motherboard Battery.
I have had to leave the battery out over night on my HP Pavilion 6465 when replacing it before it would work.
But on a newer HP Pavilion 8750C I took the old battery out and replaced it after it was out for about 5 minutes.
But if the battery is old or dead it will not detect the Hard Drive.


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 1, 2007 at 09:18:40 Pacific
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"Anyway, I shut it down and go back about a half hour later and it shows no harddrive loaded now."

Remove the power to the case and make sure the data and power cables are pushed onto the connectors all the way, that there are no gaps between the data cable and the connectors (if there are press the cable against the back of the connectors), and that the power connector is not too loose on the drive pins (common on old computers - if it is use something tiny such as a larger sewing needle to bend the arc of the metal ends on the wires so that the diameter is smaller and fits more snugly).
Also examine the edges of the data cable at each connector or under the cable clamps there and look for rips that have damaged or severed wires there. If in doubt try another data cable, or buy one - they're cheap.
If the data cable has no strap to pull on at a connector, pull on the center of the data cable rather than the edges to prevent possibly ripping the data cable when removing it.

You could also check the drive - it may be faulty, but do the above first.
check your hard drive.
See the latter part of response 1 in this:
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

"But if the battery is old or dead it will not detect the Hard Drive."

It shouldn't matter - if the bios is set by defaults to Auto detect the hard drive, by the method Auto or LBA(in this case), it should be detected whether or not the battery is good.
However if the defaults are no drive installed (unlikely for the primary on the 1st IDE), or if the method is not Auto or LBA by default, or if the drive was using User parameter settings and isn't auto detected, the hard drive would not be seen if the battery were dead or too weak.

It is a good idea to remove the power to the case when you remove the mboard battery or move a jumper to clear the cmos. An ATX mboard is powered in some places all the time, and the the large capacitors in the PS will be charged up from the last time the PS was fully on and take longer to discharge if the mboard is powered - removing the power allows those capacitors and any on the mboard to discharge faster and it takes less time for the cmos settings in the bios to reset to defaults.

If you do replace the battery pay attention to it's polarity - if it's a coin cell usually + is up. If the polarity is backwards, the bios will "think" the battery is dead. The more common coin cells are widely available - e.g. Walmart, some dollar stores.

After you install the battery, the first time you boot you will get a "Cmos Checksum Error...." or similar message. You will either be prompted to enter the bios Setup or you will automatically go there. Enter the bios Setup, set the date and time, make sure the hard drive(s) and cd drive(s) you have connected are set to be Auto detected by the method Auto or LBA - save settings, reboot.
If you have a fairly recent model scanner or printer (~1999 or later) connected to a parallel (LPTx) port, you also need to make sure it is set to EPP, EPP/ECP, or ECP mode in the bios - usually EPP is fine - ECP mode also requires you use Add Hardware in Windows 95/98/98SE to install an ECP port if it is not already there in Device Manager.



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Response Number 8
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 1, 2007 at 09:33:36 Pacific
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Another thing you could check for in the bios Setup is some bioses have a setting that allows you to delay the detection of the hard drives for xx seconds while you boot. Sometimes slower hard drives are not reliably detected or not detected at all while booting on a fairly fast booting mboard, and specifying a delay will allow them to be detected every time. Try a higher setting first, work your way down to a minimum later.


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