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Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 11:41:58 Pacific
OS: Win98 (1)
CPU/Ram: P100 / 128 MB
Comment:

Not sure just how much info to give, and also, do not remember all of my steps since this was over the past few days, but here goes:

System:
- Gateway Laptop
- Cannot use CD and floppy at same time
- Was running Win98
- 4 GB internal HD

I tried to reformat the HD. After doing so, realized did not have original system floppy and Win98 is not a bootable CD.

Rather than downloading a boot disk (lazy = stupid) I just grabbed my other comp's WinXP disc, started to install that, and figured once it was up and running I would switch back to 98 (since XP way to much for my little P100).

About 95% through, WinXP errored out (forget the exact file), said setup could not complete, and restarted. From there all heck broke loose. Basically, cannot get the OS at all... only memory check, etc. Then says OS not found.

Have restarted now litterally 100's of times with different combinations of things. I have tried every DOS & Win disk on bootdisk.com, but non of them are even recognized. Sometimes, if I set the BIOS as if I have no HD at all, then it will read from the floppy. However, doing this does not help because then I can't actually reinstall the OS to the HD. One time when I actually got a 98 boot disk to work, I even flashed my BIOS.

Nothing works. I really just don't understand. What is even more odd is that it sometimes starts to read the floppy then stops. Or starts to load the OS from boot disk, and errors out, e.g "enter location of COMMAND.COM."

Please help anyway you can. Thank you,

Matthew



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Response Number 1
Name: rogerashley
Date: February 13, 2005 at 11:59:09 Pacific
Reply:

http://business.virgin.net/x86.computers/msdosw9x.htm



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Response Number 2
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 12:31:22 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you for the quick response... but still no luck.

The boot disk on this site had same result. "OS not found"

I know it is attempting to read the A: because the drive spins for a while before giving the error.

It is as if there is something missing from all the boot disks I have tried.

Any other thoughts?


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Response Number 3
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 12:41:54 Pacific
Reply:

It sure doesn't seem like it's trying to boot from the floppy - the 'OS not found' message usually indicates that it's looking on the hard drive.

Boot order?

A floppy drive will show some activity upon startup - doesn't mean much.

Possibly the FDD is defective?

Don't know what you were thinking wrt XP on a 100MHz

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 4
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 13:23:18 Pacific
Reply:

I know, I know... the XP thing was me being lazy. :-(

But as far as the drive itself working... I know the FDD is reading because as I said, if I set the BIOS to NONE for IDE devices, it will read from the floppy.

Also, when I try to boot, the FDD will spion for a while before displaying the "OS not found" message.

Finally, just tried this (because nothing else was working) -- downloaded the XP Disks (1-6) that you can use to start an install... That started the boot process, but then got hung when it asked for disk 2.

So far, that is the only disc that gets recognized as a bottable floppy. Does XP change something in the BIOS that makes it want to look for something different on a bottable floppy?


- Matthew


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Response Number 5
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 13:58:24 Pacific
Reply:

Basically, changing the BIOS is accomplished through the CMOS setup

Is the floppy set as the first boot device or not?

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 6
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 14:01:31 Pacific
Reply:

Yes, it is set as "A: then C:"

Wish there was an option for A: only...


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Response Number 7
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 14:09:15 Pacific
Reply:

I would suspect a hardware problem - most likely the FDD - if possible, try another. Might not hurt to doublecheck your BIOS settings though

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 8
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 14:21:25 Pacific
Reply:

Here are the excat settings in the BIOS:

Disk A: 1.44
Disk B: None
IDE 0 Master (C: 4327 MB)
IDE 1 Master (none)
IDE 2 slave (none)

Boot: A: the C:


Is it possible -- and I guess I may know the answer to this -- for an FDD to be so pecular in the way it breaks? I mean this FDD has been reading disks the last 3 days. As I said, I can get through some of the boot sequence at certain times.

Matthew


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Response Number 9
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 14:56:08 Pacific
Reply:

Update...

I'm convinced it is not the FDD. Just to be sure, I took drive out, cleaned contacts, etc. Tried again, no go with DOS 6.22 or Win98 boot disks. However, if I put in disk 1 of 6 for the XP setup disk it DOES start the load process.

Because I tried loading XP once, is it looking for some different file as part of the boot disk? There has to be something I (we) am missing.


Matthew


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Response Number 10
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 15:13:56 Pacific
Reply:

Another Update...

HOLY CRAP... I'm jumping up and down over here. My last update about "is it looking for some other file because of XP" sparked a thought...

I looked at the XP Disk 1 and there were only 4 files on it. One of the files was BIOSINFO.INI. So I copied that file to one of the Win98 boot disks I've been trying.

IT WORKED!!

As we speak, my c: drive is 55% reformatted from a "format c: /s" command.

I'll let you know what happends...


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Response Number 11
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 15:19:32 Pacific
Reply:

You say it starts the XP process - it doesn't finish though, does it? The FDD seems to be the problem - there's more that can go wrong with one beyond being dirty.

It could be something else entirely, from bad RAM to a failing or misconnected HDD crossing up the system.

"Because I tried loading XP once, is it looking for some different file as part of the boot disk?"

Ok - look: Booting an OS from a floppy is a self contained process, independant of the hard drive - your HDD could have Linux Mandrake on it for all the difference that would make

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 12
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: February 13, 2005 at 18:22:18 Pacific
Reply:

The biosinfo.ini file shouldn't have made a difference. It's probably a text file. Can you post back it's contents?


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Response Number 13
Name: ham30
Date: February 13, 2005 at 18:42:17 Pacific
Reply:

I agree with posts 11 and 12. It could also be a head alignment problem on the floppy drive.


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Response Number 14
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 18:45:09 Pacific
Reply:

I'd posted before reading his last message.

This makes the kind of sense that's not - but whatever, I suppose.

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 15
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 13, 2005 at 19:38:36 Pacific
Reply:

Hi All,

First, thanks for the help and interest in my situation.

Second, I have no idea why it would actually make a difference. What I *do* know is that all 5 of the boot disks that I tried gave the same "OS not found" while the WinXP floppy (1 of 6) got at least as for as the install screen.

Yes, that BIOSINFO file is all text commands, but it is very long. I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to make such a long post. I'd be more than happy to email it to anyone who wants. Also, you can download the same files that I did at:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&familyid=e8fe6868-6e4f-471c-b455-bd5afee126d8

Finally, I had to stop starring at my laptop for today. However, when I left it, it was bootable to c: with just the command prompt. Good ole format /s worked. Now I just have to copy over the CD-ROM drivers and install Win98 -- not XP :-O

Again, I'll let you know what happens.

Matthew


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Response Number 16
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: February 13, 2005 at 22:12:37 Pacific
Reply:

I downloaded the bootdisk file and created the first disk. The file name was biosinfo.inf. 98 uses a biosinfo.inf also but it's not on the bootdisk.

I don't have a computer with that problem so I couldn't confirm if that's a fix. I did add it to a 98 bootdisk and there was no difference when using the file compared to when I didn't.

I ran the MEM command. Memory usage was the same both ways. The booting process took the same amount of time, indicating the file wasn't being read. I didn't think a normal dos boot would automatically read an .inf file anyway. The only thing I could think of was if io.sys or maybe command.com would run the file if it detected it's exact name. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Also as I suspected having biosinfo.inf by itself on a floppy disk did not make it bootable.

So I have no idea why adding that file to a bootdisk would be the single thing that makes it bootable on your system. Maybe others will post in with ideas.


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Response Number 17
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 22:22:13 Pacific
Reply:

The word 'fluke' comes to mind (also 'coincidence').

Intermittent problem with the floppy drive maybe.

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 18
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: February 13, 2005 at 22:41:38 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, I think that'll turn out to be the most likely explanation. I was intrigued with the possibility that adding that file would fix some of the inexplicable bootdisk problems that crop up every now and then.


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Response Number 19
Name: jboy
Date: February 13, 2005 at 22:51:20 Pacific
Reply:

Ah, well - those may remain inexplicable for a little while longer.

Seems like that'd be contrary to the series of events that are the boot process.

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 20
Name: ThePaladinGuild
Date: February 14, 2005 at 05:18:52 Pacific
Reply:

Well, thanks again for the help.

It may well be a fluke, but it worked. Something to keep in the back of your mind in case someone else does something dumb as I did.

You all know way more than me about this sort of thing, and also see/hear about more problems than I do. Who knows, maybe someday will happen again.

Thank you all,

Matthew


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Response Number 21
Name: jboy
Date: February 14, 2005 at 09:35:08 Pacific
Reply:

Matthew, we're glad you got things going, but there is just no way adding an XP ini file to a 98 bootdisk would have any effect whatsoever.

It doesn't work that way

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 22
Name: jboy
Date: February 14, 2005 at 09:49:20 Pacific
Reply:

The Boot Process

A bit dated, but it covers the basics.

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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