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Ok to install programs this way?

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Name: Spoc
Date: July 16, 2005 at 01:19:40 Pacific
OS: Win98SE
CPU/Ram: 64
Comment:

(.... well, maybe it's not technically "installing"....)

Hi,

To save space, I have various programs installed on an external hard drive to run from there, rather than installing them right on my laptop. But I noticed I could just copy and paste the program folders themselves to the laptop through Windows Explorer, if I did want to actually have them on the machine for awhile, or check if things would slow up too much with any of them.

But when copied/moved that way, of course the programs don't show up in Add/Remove Programs the way they normally would. Is that a problem? Such as, when I delete the folders again is it the same as doing any other "dirty delete" of a program? Or if the program has an uninstaller in its folder, will I be ok if I use that, or will it look for components in places they won't even exist?

Thanks for any insight! :o)



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Response Number 1
Name: Rimfire
Date: July 16, 2005 at 01:51:41 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Spoc, let's try to keep this thread a little shorter than your last one!

It really depends on what programs you are installing. Older one that ran on dos and windows 3.1 are self contained, everything they needed were within their installation folder. Newer programs require installing their bits and pieces into the registry. They simply won't work if you copy and paste the folders. he older ones can be removed by simply deleting the contents of their folder.

There is no reason that you cannot install new programs to a removable drive. If you try to run the program without the drive conected you will get an error message.


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Response Number 2
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: July 16, 2005 at 01:53:19 Pacific
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Trouble is, MOST windows programs will have registry entries when installed.

Moving them will trip up the entries which tell windows hoe to handle them.

M2


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.


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Response Number 3
Name: Rimfire
Date: July 16, 2005 at 01:54:47 Pacific
Reply:

Hi M2, we seem to have overlapped. I won this time!


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Response Number 4
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: July 16, 2005 at 02:04:22 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Rimfire,

Yeah, amazing the way great minds think alike.

:0)

M2


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.


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Response Number 5
Name: Spoc
Date: July 16, 2005 at 02:27:40 Pacific
Reply:

Well hello, yes promise, short/er this time! ;o)

Yes, the programs ran fine from the ext HD and I knew I couldn't run them without it connected. I liked them there since I need to save space, but the main ones I'm talking about are spybot and adaware free, so I started having second thoughts about not putting them right onto the machine, mainly since in an emergency I may need to be able to run them from safe mode.

At first I just copied them over as described to quickly see if my machine would slow down too much, but then I left them. And, yes, I have been able to run them from the folders I simply copied and pasted from the ext drive to the laptop! So was just wondering about whether it's still bad that I can't remove them from Add/Remove, since they haven't penetrated as deeply...


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Response Number 6
Name: Spoc
Date: July 16, 2005 at 02:32:27 Pacific
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... I know conventional wisdom would say the registry doesn't know they're there so they shouldn't run, but they do! And yes, I'm sure it's the laptop copies running, I don't have the ext drive connected most of the time. Actually spybot has done some weird things though, maybe sooner or later they will both break down.


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Response Number 7
Name: Bryco
Date: July 16, 2005 at 05:38:31 Pacific
Reply:

I would suggest that when you run Spybot from the copied folder it is actually running the executable from the original folder due to it's registry settings.

The easy test is to attempt to move a program folder to another location. If it has registry dependencies then you will get an Explorer popup dialog box advising of the likely problem in moving the folder.

If you get no popup then it is ok to move it and run it from the alternate location as it has no dependencies. This later group can also be either removed using it's uninstaller found in it's folder or by deleting it's program folder from where ever it is.

Regards,
Bryan


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Response Number 8
Name: Dave357
Date: July 16, 2005 at 07:09:46 Pacific
Reply:

I can't say for sure about Spybot, but AdAwareSE is well known to run as a stand-alone program. In fact, the only way to install it onto a Win95 box is to first install onto a Win98 or later PC & then copy the folder to the Win95 PC. It runs fine on Win95...it just won't install there.

HTH

Dave

If Wile Coyote had enough money for all that Acme crap, why didn't he just buy dinner?


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Response Number 9
Name: Spoc
Date: July 16, 2005 at 10:37:26 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks, would be so convenient if this is ok. And it seemed to me that as long as it was, it might even be a little easier on the system than actually installing and uninstalling a bunch of times.

Good idea on the "move test" Bryco, I know what you mean because I've gotten those warning messages in the past when tinkering (or, only a shortcut would be created). I experimented and they relocated fine, and with no warnings.

Ok, drat I can't resist: I wonder if having them in there via this method makes them easier to attack (or conversely, maybe it was what kept an attack from succeeding). When I said spybot did something weird, what I meant was... The other day I left it minimized for a long time while online after auto-updating it. Then it turned solid blue down there and couldn't be opened or closed. When I tried to end it from task manager, the prompts came back asking if I wanted to end TRIAL VERSION OF SPYREMOVER (NEVER!!!!! did I download that, think about it, or even hear of it before that, and I use nothing but the most trusted and beloved programs and online scanners).

I had pressed "End Task" many times while waiting for a reaction, so task manager finally started asking if it should close about 15 other bizarre individual "components," none of which had actually been displayed in task manager. From "UNINSTALL SPYBOT" to "Legal Stuff" to "Configuration problem" to "Sounds" something or other... After that spybot was a nonfunctional shell (so I deleted it and copied it right back over from the ext hd again. I had gotten it from majorgeeks and have been using it here and elsewhere with no problem, so I think the copy is fine). Yes I probed my system well for "nasties" after that (and had recently before that, as Rimfire knows. And hey, no laughing Rimfire! ;).

But come to find, spyremover is a b.s. direct spybot rip off, including in appearance. I think they must now be morphing it into a predator (you heard it here first, lol!), since the inexperienced may apparently not even notice the prog had changed. Then in 30 days it would start asking for money and doing God knows what else.

But nevermind that, it was just intriguing (and I have tightened security more now). Thanks again!


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Response Number 10
Name: Derek
Date: July 16, 2005 at 13:20:02 Pacific
Reply:

Some small programs are still stand alone but most are not, so you were either lucky or, as said, they are running from original exec.

If you are getting away with it then fine - it won't compromise your security or cause any problems. If the system has made any registry entries you can always run a registry cleaner after you delete any of these programs.

DerekW


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Response Number 11
Name: Spoc
Date: July 16, 2005 at 14:42:31 Pacific
Reply:

Gracias all! :^)


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