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No startup options with ctrl key

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Name: Marrtha
Date: January 31, 2005 at 14:17:22 Pacific
OS: 98SE
CPU/Ram: K6II 350
Comment:

When I hold down the ctrl key during bootup the comp boots into Windows, no startup options appear. I went into msconfig/general/advanced and ticked 'enable startup menu' and still no joy.

Only other strange behavior recently is that Norton AV 2003 (I know, I know) won't let me run a scan, keeps telling me I'm not authorized and offers a click-though to Norton's site. The fix on Norton's site doesn't work. Not sure if the problems are related.



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: January 31, 2005 at 14:25:40 Pacific
Reply:

Why are you holding the CTRL key...to get into the BIOS? Is that the key you're supposed to hit? Try DEL instead

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Response Number 2
Name: Bryco
Date: January 31, 2005 at 14:42:50 Pacific
Reply:

Jam, Marrtha is looking for the Windows Startup menu.

Try starting to hold down the left Ctrl key just after the memory count completes.

On mine I must be holding it down while the second screen shows the words "Verifying DMI pool data..."

Otherwise try hitting the F8 key when you see "Windows 98 is starting" or once per second after the memory count completes.

HTH
Bryan


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Response Number 3
Name: Marrtha
Date: January 31, 2005 at 14:48:08 Pacific
Reply:

I'm not trying to get into the bios, I'm trying to get to the startup menu. You know, where you have choices to boot into safe mode, normal mode, command prompt only, etc.

I can get into the bios with the del key just fine. You apparently misunderstood my post, but thanks for attempting to help.


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Response Number 4
Name: Marrtha
Date: January 31, 2005 at 15:03:37 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the response, Bryan. I've tried holding down the left ctrl key, the right ctrl key, and hitting the f8 key repeatedly. On separate boot tries, of course, not all on the same boot-up. No joy with any of these, comp still boots right on into Win98SE.

I'm running scandisk on that computer right now. If I could get to the startup menu I could select command prompt and try scanreg /fix, or scanreg /restore to see if it fixes the Norton problem.


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Response Number 5
Name: Rimfire
Date: January 31, 2005 at 15:27:11 Pacific
Reply:

One trick you could try if having trouble timing the F8 key.

Ensure that bios is set to boot from a floppy before the hard drive. Place a non-bootable, or even blank, floppy in the drive. When you get the non system disk error, remove the floppy and press F8 twice quickly.


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Response Number 6
Name: Marrtha
Date: January 31, 2005 at 16:37:01 Pacific
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Thanks for the suggestion Rimfire. I followed your suggestion and it still booted right into 98SE.

On a whim, I switched keyboards. Still won't go into startup menu when I hold ctrl key down while booting.

About ready to give up and just reformat and install everything again. If I contact Norton they will just tell me to reinstall Norton, and I'd rather reformat and reinstall everything than try to get Norton off a system to reinstall it.


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Response Number 7
Name: jboy
Date: January 31, 2005 at 17:12:06 Pacific
Reply:

Msconfig should have done this already, but you can check or edit your c:\MSDOS.SYS file with notepad for the line

[Options]
BootMenu=1

The file is protected though, and you'd have to remove the hidden & system attributes from DOS - or else see if Bootedit can reset the option


I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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Response Number 8
Name: Marrtha
Date: January 31, 2005 at 17:49:05 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you! Thank you! I opened my msdos.sys file with notepad and saw the line:

bootkeys=0

Was able to remove the hidden and read only attributes in the msdos.sys file properties view, then changed that darned 0 to 1.

Now I can get to to boot options when I need it. Thanks again.


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Response Number 9
Name: jboy
Date: January 31, 2005 at 18:28:05 Pacific
Reply:

That's great - it shouldn't have prevented the F8 option though, but would certainly suppress the display of the startup menu

I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.


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