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Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 11, 2004 at 20:13:46 Pacific
OS: 98SE
CPU/Ram: 64MB
Comment:

My friend wanted to give her computer to her young step son but didn't want anything on it so I went to reformat and the disks wouldn't work so I fdisked. oh my. C:/ Fdisk or format say that there are no fixed disks present. Been a problem ever since. I have tried everything
B:/drive error
F1 to resume, beep, beep, beep
Bios load (But can't get into them)
Enter user password
(I hit enter and it proceeds)
Starting Win 98
this might take a few mins
Choice 1, CD rom support
2 no cd rom
3 help
Microsoft help is loaded
Preparing to start your computer
Win 98 has detected that drive C does not contain a valid drive C, does not contain a valid FAT 32 or Fat32 partition
Diagnostic tools were succesfully loaded to drive C:
I can to get to any DOS promt after that and nothing works.
I even used a program that was suppose to strip my HD. Another list suggested that. Didn't work. I don't care about saving any data, just want to load win 98 and be done with it.



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Response Number 1
Name: safeTsurfa
Date: August 11, 2004 at 21:33:24 Pacific
Reply:

Once you flattened the drive with fdisk, did you then run fdisk from a floppy to create a new partition so the hard drive is useable?


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Response Number 2
Name: Dave02
Date: August 12, 2004 at 00:11:14 Pacific
Reply:

Download a bootdisk file from www.bootdisk.com and create a bootdisk with that file.

Download the 98 OEM file.


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Response Number 3
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 12, 2004 at 01:37:13 Pacific
Reply:

If fdisk gives a 'no fixed disk present' you need to make sure:

1) It's properly identified in cmos.
2) The IDE controllers are enabled in cmos.
3) It's connected and jumpered correctly.

The bootdisk commands are useless as long as no drive is being detected.

What happened to it between the last time it worked OK and when you attempted to format it?


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Response Number 4
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 12, 2004 at 14:23:56 Pacific
Reply:

Nothing was wrong with it. My friend is giving it to her young step son and wanted to make sure that there was nothing on it for him. He is going to be using it for games only. I think you are right about the drive being detected. I have tried the bootdisk thing enough times with no result. Someone else told me it is in the cmos, I can't get into cmos for the life of me. It is a Gateway computer.


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Response Number 5
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 12, 2004 at 19:22:08 Pacific
Reply:

F1 is set up. I hit it and it acts like it is going to work and then it goes to

B: drive error
Press F1 to Resume

If I do that it continues to try and load windows and the same errors that I have typed in the first post


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Response Number 6
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 12, 2004 at 23:46:49 Pacific
Reply:

F1 is 'resume'--that is ignore the error. F2 will be cmos/bios setup. Try that instead of F1.


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Response Number 7
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 17, 2004 at 19:19:14 Pacific
Reply:

Tried F2, same thing
B: drive error
Press F1 to resume

Been on vacation, need to get back to this


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Response Number 8
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 17, 2004 at 20:50:45 Pacific
Reply:

I checked an older gateway I had set up and it was F1 to get into setup. Start tapping F1 as soon as you turn the computer on.

If that doesn't work you may need to open the case. I believe gateway should have a 'config' jumper to clear the cmos. If not the jumper will probably read just 'clear cmos'. Examine the motherboard and see if you can find it. If it's a 'config' jumper, jump it to the config position and start up the computer and it should give instructions. If it's a 'clear cmos' jumper, jump it, turn the computer on for a few seconds, then turn it off and place the jumper back in the 'normal' position. Then start up the computer and see if F1 gets you into cmos.


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Response Number 9
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 19, 2004 at 19:31:41 Pacific
Reply:

OMG This is way over my head. I have the cover off it and took the battery out with someone elses advise. I think that my friend has to take this to someone that can and know more then I do unless you do not mind walking me thru it. I thank you very much for your help.


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Response Number 10
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 20, 2004 at 00:18:31 Pacific
Reply:

If you can't find the jumper on the motherboard you can go to the support page at the gateway site and enter the serial number on the computer case. That should link you to the available downloads for the computer. There will probably be a download for a manual.

Removing the battery often doesn't work. The capacitors can hold a charge for quite a while to keep the cmos chip charged. You can't tell if you've kept it out long enough unless you start up the computer and check. But when you start it up it immediately recharges the capacitors (even if no battery is installed). So if you haven't waited long enough, you're forced to shut it down and wait for an even longer period. I've kept batteries out for hours and still the cmos kept it's info.


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Response Number 11
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 23, 2004 at 18:23:53 Pacific
Reply:

I am sorry to be such a pain but....what is a jumper exactly?


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Response Number 12
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 23, 2004 at 20:02:16 Pacific
Reply:

I downloaded this to a disk. It did give me the virus thing but it was fine. Unzipped it. Booted from the win98 boot disk. Got to a:/
typed
killcmos.nfo
Does not work
any ideas?
KillCMOS basically "resets" your computer's CMOS settings to the factory defaults. Works with ALL CMOS. KiLLCMOS only changes checksums & values that makes the motherboard CMOS revert back to factory defaults.

Editors Note: We occasionally are informed that programs like KillCMOS are infected with a virus. Note that the operating system system requirement for this program is DOS. This means you need to be able to boot from a floppy or CD to DOS and execute the program. If you are running this program from Windows, then you did not read the directions and odds are your anti-virus will assume its a virus.


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Response Number 13
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 23, 2004 at 22:39:52 Pacific
Reply:

Here's some image of jumpers:

jumper#1

jumper#2

Killcmos needs a killcmos.com along with the .nfo file. Both are included in the zip file download from here:

killcmos

Run something like winzip and extract the files to a floppy disk. To run them put the disk in a: and type:

killcmos

and enter. I've never used it so I can't comment on it's effectiveness.


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Response Number 14
Name: safeTsurfa
Date: August 28, 2004 at 21:43:32 Pacific
Reply:

Just a word of advice, once you have killcmos on a floppy, remove it from your hard drive. It is a legitimate program, but your anti-virus will tell you it is a virus because of what it does.


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Response Number 15
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 29, 2004 at 18:18:22 Pacific
Reply:

Finally got into the BIOS
I was really excited. Boot disk did not work. Messed inside the case, got interupeted (company)
Do not rememeber what I did
Puter does not like any monitor anymore.
I have looked and looked for something that could be loose or wrong.
BTW I checked the boot disk that I made on this puter, looks fine, forgot it in this puter started up and I am geting the same message that I am on the sick one


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Response Number 16
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 29, 2004 at 18:58:52 Pacific
Reply:

If you disconnected and then reconnected any cables, make sure the red striped edge of the ribbon cable is connected to the #1 pin side of both the motherboard and drive connectors.

When checking this, don't just reverse the cable to see if it works that way. Find the striped edge and visually verify it's connected right. For the HD/cdrom the #1 pin side is the connector side closest to the power connector.

Make sure any add-on cards are firmly seated. Make sure the memory and cpu are firmly seated.

Run over your last paragraph again. What is the exact problem there?


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Response Number 17
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 30, 2004 at 18:31:41 Pacific
Reply:

sorry, I can see why you didn't understand that. I made a win 98 boot disk off a working computer. See above the error messages I got off the puter I am working on. I put the boot disk back in the working computer to see if it worked or to make another boot disk. Forgot it in the a drive. Booted up and got the same error message on the working computer as the one that doesn't boot. Does that make sense?


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Response Number 18
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 30, 2004 at 18:44:27 Pacific
Reply:

You're getting a b: drive error on both machines?

Just booting a computer with a bootdisk won't change anything on the hard drive unless you install or delete files from the HD or copy files from the bootdisk to the HD. Did anything like that happen?


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Response Number 19
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 30, 2004 at 18:46:19 Pacific
Reply:

I have tried all the plug ins. Fan runs, puter beeps but the monitor is kind of blue with a wavy screen. It never changes.


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Response Number 20
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 30, 2004 at 20:01:02 Pacific
Reply:

nope, no B drive, same meassages but worked perfect. I wish the #%^@#*%*)^& one was that easy


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Response Number 21
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 30, 2004 at 20:28:07 Pacific
Reply:

If it beeps it may be OK. Check the monitor connection. Make sure the video card is in OK.

If the other computer is showing a b: drive error try going into it's cmos and make sure the drives are correctly identified.


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Response Number 22
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 31, 2004 at 19:03:25 Pacific
Reply:

I have tried it on two different monitors and the same thing. I have no idea where the video card is or what to do with it. It is certain that this unit has been tossed round and round. It worked fine after the killcmos but then I messed inside the case (the jumper thing) and now nothing but blue wavey screen


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Response Number 23
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: August 31, 2004 at 19:36:23 Pacific
Reply:

I have tried it on two different monitors and the same thing. I have no idea where the video card is or what to do with it. It is certain that this unit has been tossed round and round. It worked fine after the killcmos but then I messed inside the case (the jumper thing) and now nothing but blue wavey screen


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Response Number 24
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 31, 2004 at 21:54:53 Pacific
Reply:

The video card is a card that plugs into one of the slots on the motherboard. Then you plug the monitor cable into the card. If you don't have a card that does that then you must have an on-board video adapter which means the video is integrated into the motherboard. In that case you don't need to check if the card is loose because there is no card.

Other than that you just have to verify that everything is connected properly and the jumpers are where they should be.


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Response Number 25
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: September 1, 2004 at 19:30:10 Pacific
Reply:

I have checked it all again and there is no card. I don't think it is good, one of the jumpers by where the monitor gets hot while it is running. Much more then the one next to it. This is my last bugging question to you and my friend can do "what ever" with this thing.


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Response Number 26
Name: KimmerJ35
Date: September 1, 2004 at 19:39:35 Pacific
Reply:

sorry, I looked back and it is not a jumper
The thing that is getting hot is a copper looking thing. Like a horse shoe


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Response Number 27
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 1, 2004 at 21:58:10 Pacific
Reply:

Possibly that may be a coil. It doesn't matter though. Just make sure everything is connected the way it was when it was working. And the memory and cpu are in tight. That's the best I can do since I don't have the computer in front of me.

Good luck.


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