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Name: koRnOnTheKob
Date: April 13, 2007 at 15:16:12 Pacific
OS: windows 95
CPU/Ram: ?
Product: ?
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I got this old Toshiba satellite laptop yesterday. It has no OS. Everything works fine, I have a boot disk that I can load DOS with. Even though the proprietary CD ROM drive works, it cannot be booted from. the only solution I can think of is to get an OS on floppy, and I don't think it supports anything higher than windows 95. what I want to know is how can I put windows 95 onto standard size floppy disks? and how many disks do I need?


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Response Number 1
Name: Derek
Date: April 13, 2007 at 15:48:31 Pacific
Reply:

If you donwload a bootdisk (floppy) from www.bootdisk.com you can then use that to install W95 from a CD, even if the CD drive is not bootable.

W95 was available on floppies - not sure how many but a heck of a lot. You might pick up a W95 CD on ebay if you don't have one.

DerekW


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Response Number 2
Name: jboy
Date: April 13, 2007 at 16:23:36 Pacific
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"I don't think it supports anything higher than windows 95"

Much depends on the actual specs (you know, instead of '?')

The original 95 upgrade kit was 13 'special' floppies - later versions were bigger, but it's feasible to transfer the files from the CD disc - unlike those foolish requests for Win98 on diskette we see now & again

If the CD drive works, all you need is a boot disk and the installation CD, as noted

I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.


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Response Number 3
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 13, 2007 at 16:54:55 Pacific
Reply:

Does the floppy drive swap out with the CD drive?


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Response Number 4
Name: Name
Date: April 13, 2007 at 18:30:08 Pacific
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Yes POST THE SPECS of the machine

Do we understand that the machine has swappable CDROM/ floppy? That is, you cannot physically install the CDROM and floppy simultaniously?

If so, you need to fdisk/ format the hard drive, and "sys" the drive so the hard drive will boot, and then configure the hard drive (with the floppy) so that the hard drive will boot and load the CDROM drivers. You can then install Whenhozed with the CDROM

A second alternative is to get a laplink type cable (null modem) and copy the files over via laplink, file maven, or some other file transfer.

Last, you can jerk the hdd out of the machine, and temporarily install it in a desktop via an adapter to copy over the system/ OS files.


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Response Number 5
Name: orbital
Date: April 13, 2007 at 22:52:27 Pacific

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Response Number 6
Name: T-R-A
Date: April 14, 2007 at 01:14:14 Pacific
Reply:

If you're comfortable with working on hardware, then here's an unsolicited 2ยข opinion. To save yourself time and trouble now (and in the future should you ever need to reinstall or have a CD drive go bad on another machine):

1. Spend a few bucks for this:
http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/i...
and find a spare IDE CD-Rom (any speed should do) lying around to drop in. The case is a tight fit, so don't let that intimidate you.

2. Download the drivers from that site as well, and also 98bot10a.exe or 95bot245.exe (depending on your version of Win95) from MicronPC:
http://support.mpccorp.com/download...

3. Modify the extracted setup disk to include the parallel port CD-Rom drivers and the option to access it via the floppy (if you're lucky you can modify it to use the drivers for the existing drive in the laptop). I've got one made for just such events; post back if you're still considering this and need help. Then install (or copy files to a temporary directory to install from HDD) from there. Then keep the floppy disk for future use (in fact, make a copy once you get it working, just in case).

Also, should your CD drive in the laptop ever die (trust me, they do eventually), or you have a drive go bad on another machine, you'd still have a backup method of reading CD's.



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Response Number 7
Name: T-R-A
Date: April 14, 2007 at 01:39:48 Pacific
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Or if you want to go the "ultra-cheap" route:

1. Use WinZip (or any popular compression utility for that matter) to do a "spanned-disk" compression of the entire Win95 folder to floppy. Number of floppies depends on the size of the Win95 folder (Win95 was the smallest, subsequent releases of '95 grew each time). You'll need around 15 dependable floppies if you stick with the original Win95 and use a utility to format them to 1.76MB (using something like WinImage); closer to 30 (or more) if you try Win95C on standard 1.44MB format. Quite possibly you may not be able to format to anything other than 1.44MB disks, since some machines can be flakey with other formats. Realize that unless you have lots of spare floppy disks lying around, the cost of new ones could exceed the cost of buying the parallel-port drive case mentioned above (including shipping)...

2. Find a DOS decompression program (PKZip) and copy to HDD. Decompress the '95 backup to an empty temporary folder on the HDD and install from there.


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Response Number 8
Name: wizard-fred
Date: April 14, 2007 at 05:26:03 Pacific
Reply:

If you have another computer with a good floppy drive and a CD drive, you don't need a large number of floppy disks. Using the method of installing from a folder on the hard drive you only need enough floppies to copy the largest file. This would be tedious as you have to keep track of the files copied one by one.

I don't have a copy of W95 handy, but my Win98SE install folder has 101 files with the 63 largest being 1.7MB and 67 greater than the 1.4MB of a standard floppy. So you could get by with just 2 floppies with file splitting (Maybe just 1 if you use PKZIP with disk spanning.)

After doing the previous, I just remembered in the days before CD's, I used two early forms of backup media capable of running from DOS on a floppy disk, floppy tape (CMS/HP Jumbo Tape Drives) and zip disks (IOMEGA). Even earlier, port-to-port file transfer (serial or parallel) (Lap-Link). Actually port-to-port or a more modern form of networking is probably the way to go. Not necessarily fast, but able to copy everything with one command.


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Response Number 9
Name: Name
Date: April 14, 2007 at 09:27:17 Pacific
Reply:

THANKS T-R-A, I forgot to mention that approach. I've recently picked up two old "Backpack" CDROM cases, one complete, and new enough that it's a factory "Backpack" CD burner, and has an adapter included so you can not only use it with parallel port, but USB, too.

The older one I found was just a CDROM, but I put a burner into it, as well.


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Response Number 10
Name: jboy
Date: April 14, 2007 at 15:04:14 Pacific
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"around 15 dependable floppies"

Well (as already mentioned) the original set was 13 DMF, although the first and last could be 'standard'

No need to even consider that route since the thinking behind it is flawed, and there is a functional CD drive of some sort.

Another case of the OP wandering off to parts unknown, leaving the various teams of contributers to entertain themselves with academic exercises?

(thought so)

I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.


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Response Number 11
Name: T-R-A
Date: April 14, 2007 at 19:21:41 Pacific
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>>>leaving the various teams of contributers to entertain themselves with academic exercises?<<<

It's the most "exercise" most of us get these days.... :)


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Response Number 12
Name: Name
Date: April 15, 2007 at 10:42:12 Pacific
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jboy, your of course know why this is. Somebody (who is not a regular on ANY forum) experiences some problem or other, and rather than typing "Google.com" and playing with THAT, the person in question "ax's" the question on numerous computer boards, and then of course forgets where they asked it, and forgets what they used for a password.

Here we are, musing the numerous possibilites, only to find (maybe) later that some of the given information was wrong to start with.


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Response Number 13
Name: Derek
Date: April 19, 2007 at 15:20:05 Pacific
Reply:

Maybe the advice we gave was so bad that the computer exploded, going into orbit with the poster hanging onto it. I'll watch the sky....

DerekW


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