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Name: Kailas
Date: March 28, 2005 at 06:19:04 Pacific
OS: Win2k
CPU/Ram: Athlon 2000+ / 256MB DDR
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ORIGINAL THREAD - Click Here

Hello all :)
As my earlier post left me no where to go, I am doing a repost of the same.
Any workarounds appretiated and I will ofc follow this thread. :)



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Response Number 1
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: March 28, 2005 at 06:58:52 Pacific
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As in the other thread, without a floppy, this gets much harder than it needs to.

You're stuck with buring an image.

Once you do, you can not add anything to the CD.

So you either get everything you need into the image from the get go or you make one plain-vanilla boot CD, then a second one with the \win98 you need.

Boot on the first one and slap on the second one.


M2

If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.


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Response Number 2
Name: Kailas
Date: March 28, 2005 at 07:17:37 Pacific
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If I add all files i need to the iso image then will that image when burnt still be bootable?
or i must waste another CD trying it!


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Response Number 3
Name: Bryco
Date: March 28, 2005 at 08:06:18 Pacific
Reply:

Kailas,

What the Langa articles are saying is that you need to make the CD emulate a floppy disk. It does so by fooling the PC to think that the CD is a floppy and then once at the DOS prompt you can then access the CD contents such as Win98's setup.exe.

Otherwise, perhaps the following application, from NoNags.com, or a similar application will suffice:
Quoting:
CD Splash
CD Splash 1 for Win9x/ME/Win2k/XP (500 kb)
Updated: Jul 25, 2004
Author: Cubic Software Design
Description: CD Splash is a program for everyone (beginner and advanced) who want to impress his friends. By putting this program on your CDs an amazing splash will appear every time you run the CD.
You can choose to automatically display an image, to play a sound file (wav, mp3, midi...), to start a program or multimedia file (for example a movie with you saying 'hello' to every person who run your CD).

Features of CD Splash:
- the splash has a low load time (almost instantly)
- it works with relative paths
- program is very small and doesn't need DLLs, OCX, VBRuntimes or other external files
- it works with JPG, BMP, EMF files and any type of multimedia files
- CDSplash is instructed through a script file (an INI file), but you don't have to know ABSOLUTELY nothing about programming.
- the splash settings (INI) process is done in a true graphical and user friendly interface (an INI-Editor)
- it is really small
- it is freeware

The INI-EDITOR generates the script files and the 'Autorun.INF' file BUT you don't have to know nothing about these files. This is only an irrelevant technical description. You have this INI-EDITOR to take care of everything.
FEATURES:
- it won't let you to make mistakes (it includes a detection algorithm for inexistent file/path)
- it offers help, instructions and tips to the user in a dynamic way
- it doesn't need DLLs or other external files
- it is really small
- it is freeware
- it doesn't need to be installed/uninstalled
- it doesn't mess your registry or system with unneeded DLLs or other craps like this
End of quote

I have not tried this freebie and hopefully they know how to code a program better than they know how to code a webpage. I had difficulties getting to the page with the download and their link to "More info" is also the download link. That is why I have copied and pasted the information from the Nonags website.

To download the .zip file click on the word "CD Splash" in the middle column of their page.
http://www.soft.tahionic.com/cd-splash.html or right click and select "Save target as" on the following link: CD-Splash.zip 500Kb

Regards,
Bryan


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Response Number 4
Name: Kailas
Date: March 28, 2005 at 08:42:31 Pacific
Reply:

thanks, will try it out.
but the Langa method requires you to have a boot floppy from which the emulation takes place.
Now what if a PC does not have a floppy drive?
In such a case there is no way of making a boot cd WITH other files like OS setup on it?


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Response Number 5
Name: name
Date: March 28, 2005 at 08:48:04 Pacific
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Yes, I think you are missing something important, here.

A factory bootable CD works like no other device I know of, that is--when you boot to a floppy, you can see all the files on the floppy, right there on A:. When you boot to a normal hard drive, same deal--everything is on "C:"

However, when you boot to (say, an OEM '98 cd) the cd boots up to a sort of hidden partition of the cd--you can't read the boot sector when you pop the cd into a running windows machine--but when you BOOT the cd, it shows up as the "A:" drive. If you happen to HAVE a floppy drive (normally A) in the machine, and try and use it while the CDROM is booted, you'll find that your floppy letter has been temporarily pushed to "B:"

So when you're booted to a CDROM, it "acts" like there is a bootable device known as "A" and the main part of the cdrom,with most of the data, is "some other letter," normally D.

YOU CANNOT "see" this "A:" drive of the CD when you try and browse the thing in Whedows. You can "copy" or duplicate the entire CD in your burner software, and it will copy the boot sector, but if you are CREATING one, you need a source for this.


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Response Number 6
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: March 28, 2005 at 08:52:56 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Bryan,

Yeah, no shortage of boo-boos there.

Two other links 'HTML Enforder' for one, lead to the CD-Splash.zip

LOL



M2

If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.


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Response Number 7
Name: Kailas
Date: March 28, 2005 at 10:45:08 Pacific
Reply:

name,
I understand (I hope clearly) what you are saying. I do know basics of emulation. My basic question still remains - WITHOUT A FLOPPY DISK / BOOT FLOPPY can I make a boot CD WITH other files as well or am I restried to making a dedicated boot cd and another on to contain other data like mechanix2to has stated.


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Response Number 8
Name: Kailas
Date: March 28, 2005 at 10:46:48 Pacific
Reply:

must have read ...with out a floppy DRIVE...


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Response Number 9
Name: Bryco
Date: March 28, 2005 at 14:40:58 Pacific
Reply:

From the Langa Aritcle:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=10818064&pgno=2

"In the File Browser, navigate to your boot floppy, select all the files, and drag them into the empty ISO1 pane."

Couldn't the 'floppy' simply be a folder on the hard drive that contains all of the needed files that would have been on the floppy?

I think the article references the floppy because that was the intent of the article; to make your own custom 'boot disk' and how to put it all onto a bootable CD.

Langa's floppy contained the System files:
io.sys
command.com
drivespace.bin
msdos.sys
then added
the "handy tools"
(Attrib.exe
Chkdsk.exe
Deltree.exe
Edit.com
Fdisk.exe
Format.com
Himem.sys
Mscdex.exe
Smartdrv.exe
Sys.com
Xcopy.exe
Xcopy32.exe
Xcopy32.mod)
add Oakcdrom.sys
along with the modified
Quote
Enter the following three lines in the CONFIG.SYS file:

DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICEHIGH=OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001


Enter these two lines in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file:

LH SMARTDRV
LH MSCDEX.exe /D:MSCD001
End quote

The above was not exactly all of it but I think the idea was to fit as much as possible onto the floppy by using the floppy as the measuring cup.

Maybe I read it wrong.

There was another promising Win98 utility on NoNags:
Quote
Runshell
Runshell 1.0 for Win9x (20 kb)
From NonagsPLUS (Members) (20 kb)
Updated: Jan 01, 2001
Homepage
Author: John Krutsch
Description: Runshell opens other programs with its associated program quickly and easily. It was originally designed for use with presentations that where run from CD's. When you use it with an autorun.inf file you can have any file autorun not just .exe's. You can choose to autorun web pages, powerpoint presentations, spreadsheets, or even plain old documents. A typical auto.inf file that uses runshell would look like this:


OPEN=RUNSHELL.EXE yourFile.ext
ICON=YOURICON.ICO

Where yourFile.ext is any file. Depending on its file extension the machine should open the file with its associated application. I tested this on .txt, .htm, .ppt, .doc, .xls, .mdb and a bunch of others and it worked slick.

If you don't specify a file to open in the command line argument, or if the path is not valid, runshell simply ignores your request and turns itself off.
End of quote

The author's page is no longer available but I can get you a copy of the 20kb file if it interests you.

Regards,
Bryan


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Response Number 10
Name: TopFarmer
Date: March 28, 2005 at 15:32:31 Pacific
Reply:

Hi all

Depending on just what NERO OME version you have, 6.3.1.6 has a dosboot image file that one can use to make a bootable cd. The boot image is DRDOS with ide cd support and uses VIDE-CDD.sys, there is no scsi cd support. If you have a old version you can try to update it. Have not used the boot image file yet(dosbootimage.img).

To see if you have the selection to use NERO's boot image or must provide your own.
Open NERO and select "Copy & Backup/Burn Image to Disk"
New Nero window select "Data/Bootable Data Disk" in the next new window at bootom right click on "NEXT" if on the next window you see 2 small drop down selections , the lower one is titled "use standard boot image" then you have all that is needed (be sure it is selected). Select "back" to the previos window and use the "+ plus" button to put wanted programs and floders on the cd.

NOTE: remember programs or folders that are to be used in DOS must meet DOS file name standards, can not have spaces with in the name and LFN's could be a problem.

You can make a bootable CD with about 700m of files on it.


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