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Name: chi
Date: July 21, 2002 at 12:09:14 Pacific
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hi, ok i have a AMD 950, 256 RAM, winME

and i find that system resources is eaten away by programs as simple as outlook express etc. I think i need a memory refresh program?
I have adsl installed and virus scanner etc..when i first boot up with everything starting up i get something like 70-74% resources... then when i open different files or use outlook my resources can dip as low as 48% this is where my mouse starts to jutter and i have to close serveral windows and programs to get some more system resources! this shouldn't be happening right? not with 256Mb ram! (btw if a program takes 8% resources, then when closed i don't get 8% back! whats going on?)
also when i play games like UT and then i shut down my PC an error msg pops up telling me that windows has halted and asked to be rebooted!
I guess this is another mem. problem right?
I thought it might be the m/b but i upgraded the bios to the latest... not much luck there! OR should i upgrade to win2K???

PLEASE HELP!!!!



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Response Number 1
Name: darren
Date: July 21, 2002 at 12:33:18 Pacific
Reply:

http://www.infinisource.com/techfiles/win-resources.html

Also reference:
http://www2.whidbey.net/djdenham/Running_items.htm

More:
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.htm#Select
http://www.3feetunder.com/krick/startlist.htm


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Response Number 2
Name: capt
Date: July 21, 2002 at 12:37:01 Pacific
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Have you done the routine windows maintenance tasks like delete temp internet files, scandisk and disk defragmentation. Then check how many programs are automatically starting at startup. You can disable all the unnecessary programs in startup by using start>>run>msconfig. You need the following programs: system tray, scan registry, load power profile, firewall, antivirus and the scheduling agent if you have scheduled tasks scheduled. All the other programs will still work when you need them, but will not automatically start at startup, if you diasble them. Some antivirus programs can use a lot of resources. The antivirus programs that I have found with the smallest system requirements are ESET's NOD32, Computer Associates' eTrust and Grisoft's AVG(free) and Trend Micro's PC-cillian. I use Norton 2002 on my XP with a P4 and 512 ram. I use eTrust on my 98se pentium pro 128 ram, because Norton will cause resource problems and lockups. All the best!


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Response Number 3
Name: .
Date: July 21, 2002 at 12:58:15 Pacific
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and RAM and resources have nothing to do with each other. OK?


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Response Number 4
Name: Vito
Date: July 21, 2002 at 13:08:37 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Chi,

Being the control freak that I am, I always insist on taking charge of what applications start, and when. I would never, i mean NEVER settle for anything less than 90% system resources on a clean boot.

So, first port of call is what applications start on boot up. Your running WinME (urrrggghhh)! Im not sure if ME supports the system configuration utility so fire up the registry and navigate yourself to HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Run, Run-, Run Once and every other Run key. Here, study the strings and decide what apps you want to start on boot. Personally, i only have Systray starting and everything else goes in the bit bucket. Virus programs have a lot to answer for when it comes to eating your resources, so get rid of all startup scans.

So lets recap. You dont need power profiles if your the sole user of your machine, you dont need scanreg. The only thing you want to see is the systray and if you have a fancy keyboard or intellimouse, those drivers too.

Just before I wrap up, a quick point about the 8% resources not being returned after closing the program which took 8% in the first place. Its normal for system resources to be freed up gradually, not immediately, upon ending of tasks.

vito@supanet.com



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Response Number 5
Name: rac
Date: July 21, 2002 at 13:44:12 Pacific
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First -- NOTHING adverse happens until your system resources are exhausted (zero), so if your mouse starts stuttering at 48% it's either psychological or caused by something other than "low" resources. (I run with 30 - 50% all the time with no effects.)

Second, that bit about virus programs isn't correct. For example, I just closed my McAfee VirusScan and gained all of 2% in system resources!

Bottom line is, you don't need to be concerned about system resources unless you regularly get dragged down below 20% -- and you only worry about them then because if you open many more things, you WILL run out. Frankly, when that happens I don;t break into a cold sweat or start a major analysis, I just reboot.

And finally, as was said above the amount of RAM (or swap file) that you have has NOTHING to do with system resources.


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Response Number 6
Name: WhitPhil
Date: July 21, 2002 at 16:49:09 Pacific
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Vito:
Contrary to your sage advice, ScanRegistry is a key component at boot time. It performs 2 basic functions and then goes away, tbus not consuming resources.
It does a basic integrity check of the registry and more importantly on the first boot of the day it takes a backup that can subsequently be restored using scanreg/restore.
Not running scanreg is like skydiving without a parachute. Not advisable.


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Response Number 7
Name: drm
Date: July 21, 2002 at 19:10:50 Pacific
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System Resources have absolutely nothing to do with physical memory. You can learn about 'System Resources' here:

System Resources

There is a free program named `Wintop' (Windows Process Watcher) which will show what programs are in your startup function, what programs are running, and what percentage of
your systems resources are being used. It is continuously updated. You can keep it on your desktop, or keep it minimized in the taskbar. It is interesting to see that an animated web ad can tie up 30 % of your systems resources! It is part of the Microsoft Windows95 Kernel Toys.
Although the article says win95 only, it seems to work ok on win98. Click below to download:

KernelToys

You may or may not have any use for the rest of the programs in the 'Kernel Toy' package.
____________________________________________________________________________________


After you download it, here is a site which explains in detail what 'Wintop' does:

Wintop Text


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Response Number 8
Name: chi
Date: July 22, 2002 at 06:18:41 Pacific
Reply:

hey guys,

cheers for the massive response, after disabling some programs on start; finding out which were important etc. I now have 84% resources on a clean boot! woohooo

to vito : i didn't have the balls to mess with the registry.

to all: thanks for the websites! and help.

how can u tell i'm an amature? hehe i thought i was good at windows... but it seems i'm just a basic user and i don't really understand more indepth issues like u guys!

SO some questions bare in mind:
1)should i let windows manage my virtual memory, OR should i specify it knowing i got 256Mb of RAM.
2)my PC still crashes when i shut down after playing some games giving a blue screen saying "system has halted please reboot", this means most of the times i have to restart and shut down manually.

cheers for any further help!


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Response Number 9
Name: rac
Date: July 22, 2002 at 09:25:54 Pacific
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Best advice is to let Windows manage your memory. For your situation (which is pretty much in the norm), it actually does a pretty good job all by itself.

And I'd say that not messing with your registry to "solve" the problem you faced showed not a lack of coursage, but a whole lot of common sense!

Many games hog a whole lot of physical memory, and don't release it when you close them. You might try a memory manager like Memokit, WinRamTurbo, or such that automatically will recover RAM at set time intervals, or when it "evaporates" below a set level. Don'y use their cache tweaks, though, as some of the settings they impose are just downright weird.


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