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Name: Thomas
Date: October 25, 2003 at 08:55:18 Pacific
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What is it about these pop-ups and e-mails that I receive sometimes stating that everything I do and view is logged and is permanently stored on my computers database for someone to view? Is that really true or is it that they are trying to get you to buy their product to remove this "evidence", that's what they call it.

I received an e-mail today about a program called Evidence Eliminator that supposedly deletes all of the logs from your computer.

Thanks in adance.



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Response Number 1
Name: Stuart
Date: October 25, 2003 at 09:09:40 Pacific
Reply:

There is an element of truth in what they say but I would ignore any unsolicited E-mail you get concerning security. They are almost certainly trying to sell you something that they cannot sell by normal advertising without resorting to Spam and scaring the unwary.

One common scam is to display a load of your personal information on your screen to frighten you into believing that they have access to your files. The fact that they have displayed your information on your screen doesnt necesserily mean that they can do the same on their screen.

If you are really paranoid about leaving stuff behind get a copy of Cash, Cookie & Window cleaner. That does a pretty good job of covering up your tracks.

http://www.moleculesoft.com/

These evidence eliminators are only of any real use if you are using your employers computer to browse some dubious internet site and dont want them to know where you have been. Some of the stuff that is saved on your computer is actually useful.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: Dan Penny
Date: October 25, 2003 at 09:25:19 Pacific
Reply:

It's more or less true. C:\windows\applog creates "records" of app's/programs you run so when you defrag these can be re-arranged on your drive for faster access. History files and cookies are stored for the same reason. Some of these can be removed while windows is running, some cannot because windows thinks you shouldn't. So, people "write" programs to get rid of these so you can rest your "guilty conscieous(sp?)".

If you want to get rid of this, copy the following into notepad and save it as PURGE.BAT;

@echo off
cls
echo.
echo.
echo WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!
echo.
echo This batch file must run from the RAW DOS COMMAND PROMPT ONLY!
echo.
echo NOT from a DOS WINDOW while WINDOWS IS RUNNING!
echo.
echo.
echo You can choose to clear unnecessary files from your Temp, History,
echo Cookies, Recent, Temporary Internet Files, Applog sub-directories,
echo or all.
echo.
echo If Clear All Files and Directories is chosen, it will also clear;
echo C:\perform.log, *.syd, *.b~k, *.---, and *.pss files from your
echo C:\ and C:\Windows directories, as well as C:\windows\Downloaded
echo Program Files, and the swapfile.
echo.
echo Press Ctrl+C to terminate this process. . .
echo.
echo OR,
echo.
echo press Enter and choose which files to clear.
echo.
pause
::
path=%PATH%;%winbootdir%\command\
lh %winbootdir%\SMARTDRV 4096 16 >nul
::
cls
echo.
echo.
echo A Clear All Files and Directories
echo B Clear Temporary Internet Files Only
echo C Clear History Folder Only
echo D Clear Temporary Folder Only
echo E Clear Applog Folder Only
choice /c:abcde Choose an Option
if errorlevel 5 goto applog-only
if errorlevel 4 goto temp-only
if errorlevel 3 goto history-only
if errorlevel 2 goto temp-internet
if errorlevel 1 goto all-files
::
:all-files
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\temp
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\recent
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\tempor~1
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\locals~1\tempor~1
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\cookies
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\history
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\applog
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\downlo~1
::
if EXIST c:\win386.swp del c:\win386.swp
if EXIST d:\win386.swp del d:\win386.swp
if EXIST e:\win386.swp del e:\win386.swp
if EXIST f:\win386.swp del f:\win386.swp
if EXIST g:\win386.swp del g:\win386.swp
if EXIST h:\win386.swp del h:\win386.swp
::
if EXIST c:\perform.log del c:\perform.log
if EXIST c:\*.syd del c:\*.syd
if EXIST c:\*.b~k del c:\*.b~k
if EXIST c:\*.--- del c:\*.---
if EXIST %winbootdir%\*.syd del %winbootdir%\*.syd
if EXIST %winbootdir%\*.b~k del %winbootdir%\*.b~k
if EXIST %winbootdir%\*.--- del %winbootdir%\*.---
if EXIST %winbootdir%\*.pss del %winbootdir%\*.pss
if EXIST D:\toolscd\regist~1\regclean\undo*.reg del D:\toolscd\regist~1\regclean\undo*.reg
goto exit
::
:applog-only
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\applog
goto exit
::
:temp-only
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\temp
goto exit
::
:history-only
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\history
goto exit
::
:temp-internet
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\tempor~1
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\locals~1\tempor~1
%winbootdir%\command\deltree/y %winbootdir%\cookies
goto exit
::
:exit
echo File Deletion Is Complete
exit


This has to be run while in RAW DOS. When you boot, hold down Ctrl or F8 and choose Command Prompt Only, then at the C:\> prompt, type in; purge. (Place the file either in the root directory of C: or somewhere in your path which is defined in autoexec.bat (if you have one.) This will work on 98, 98SE, I think on 95. You didn't provide your O/S in your post heading, so I don't know.


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Response Number 3
Name: mesich
Date: October 25, 2003 at 09:41:22 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Thomas, Stuart, Dan, hello everyone,

Very nice Dan! I just checked it out and it worked nicely.

Best Regards and Wishes to All,
Mesich


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Response Number 4
Name: Thomas
Date: October 25, 2003 at 09:44:33 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry for not providing the OS. I primarily wanted general knowledge behind this. My OS, however, is WinXP Tablet Edition. Thanks for all the help, however.


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Response Number 5
Name: Dan Penny
Date: October 25, 2003 at 10:04:05 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Mesich. I wrote that about four years ago and have tweaked it along the way. The one I actually use has no choices in it, it just goes and aggressively does it, as ~I~ know what ~I~ want deleted. When I started seeing related topics in this forum, I posted it with the choices in case someone else only wanted certain things deleted. Then I added the %winbootdir% in case someone installed windows into another directory. Renaissance Man saw it and sent me a version which he tweaked as well. His was much more elaborate, more than I needed, but a good job. If you're interested in his version of my original, I can send it or post it. I think I still have an email address for you. Actually, I don't. (I just checked.) I was on AOL back then when we had a couple of commo's. In any case, if you're interested, let me know.
Dan


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Response Number 6
Name: mesich
Date: October 25, 2003 at 10:15:41 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Dan, hello everyone,

I like you know what I would like deleted and would manipulate the batch file accordingly but very nice to have the options. I know several others that would like this.

RM's latest version, I forget the version number is actully at Burzurq.com. SMUOD was kind enough to place it there for him.

Drop me an email though as I no longer have yours either. :-(
I posted it in this thread.

Best wishes,
Mesich


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Response Number 7
Name: mesich
Date: October 25, 2003 at 10:18:25 Pacific
Reply:

Hi everyone,

I'll try that link one more time. :-)

Are You Burzurq



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Response Number 8
Name: beansoup
Date: October 25, 2003 at 10:22:17 Pacific
Reply:

Hi y'all,

Amazing what one can learn here....LOL

Thanks Dan..

Peace

beansoup


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Response Number 9
Name: Dan Penny
Date: October 25, 2003 at 10:51:31 Pacific
Reply:

Mesich, Nice to hear that Renaissance Man is still "around". Haven't seen him in this forum for quite a while. (Although I've been absent myself here in the past several months. New job, new place, etc.)

I'll drop you a line so you have my email address. I don't want to clog up this thread.

Regards, Dan


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Response Number 10
Name: Dan Penny
Date: October 25, 2003 at 11:01:27 Pacific
Reply:

beansoup, you're welcome. As stated here though, RM's file is much more elaborate, and works on a wider range of O/S's I believe. Mine was just a "get down and dirty" deletion batch file for my system. There is also a batch file put out by Fred Langa which does pretty much the same. My whole point is, to the original poster (Thomas), you don't always have to pay if you know where to look and who to talk to. ;>)


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Response Number 11
Name: Thomas
Date: October 25, 2003 at 14:08:04 Pacific
Reply:

Do you have one of those batch files for WinXP?


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Response Number 12
Name: PC Bob
Date: October 25, 2003 at 19:55:30 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Dan, Mesich and all. I'll try this batch file out soon, and keep a copy of it for others.

As someone said earlier, you may not want to delete everything. Cookies do serve a purpose. Delete yours and then try getting back into computing.net! I think I now have about a half dozen AKA's here. When I try to login after a crash, I can never get the userid working that I was using before. But, once I re-register I can use the old one ok. Weird. But as I said it's often good not to delete ALL the cookies. The problem is trying to tell which ones to keep.

Just some thoughts.


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Response Number 13
Name: Derek
Date: October 25, 2003 at 20:37:48 Pacific
Reply:

Thomas

There are programs around that can hide your tracks ("Spider" is free) but NEVER download anything that you get through unsolicited emails.

Derek


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Response Number 14
Name: ido4god
Date: October 27, 2003 at 14:24:37 Pacific
Reply:

Dan Penny, if I purge *syd APPLOG & WIN.386 files, will the files be memorized by my system or rebuilt without the garbage?
I use a gateway P5-120 computer with Win98SE, IR6&SP6.1, MSN 6.0.
It works ok but I'm certain there's garbage on it that will increase performance once deleted.
ido4god


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Response Number 15
Name: Derek
Date: October 27, 2003 at 14:56:32 Pacific
Reply:

ido4god

Just in case Dan doesn't pop back:

You can delete all of the Applog files if you like and then uncheck TaskMonitor in msconfig (otherwise they will keep coming back). This lot is for defrag but is outdated. For modern fast machines it is unecessary. If you haven't tried WinME defrag instead of the W98 (if that's what you are using) then do so - it's much faster.

As you probably know Win386.swp is your swap file (virtual memory). I'm 99.9% certain this can be deleted and it will rebuild. BUT I don't want to take even 0.1% risks on your machine so get a second opinion on this by all means.

Derek


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Response Number 16
Name: Derek
Date: October 27, 2003 at 15:06:41 Pacific
Reply:

ido4god

Just checked, it's fine to delete Win386.swp (it'll rebuild) but you may have to shut down to DOS and do it if it is in use by Windows.

Derek


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Response Number 17
Name: ido4god
Date: October 27, 2003 at 16:02:23 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Derek. I just joined this forum & am surprised at the free technical information. I enjoy trying to get this old gateway P5-120 into as fine shape as I can. Yes, I use Win98SE, MSN6.0, IE6.0&SP6.1.

Thanks again.


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Response Number 18
Name: Derek
Date: October 27, 2003 at 16:05:55 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for popping back - hope all goes well

Derek


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Response Number 19
Name: Dan Penny
Date: October 27, 2003 at 17:36:00 Pacific
Reply:

Derek, Many thanks for answering ido4god. ;>)

Thomas,
"Do you have one of those batch files for WinXP?"

Unfortunately no. I'm not familiar with XP. The most I've done with it is to blow it away from friends machines and reload 98SE. (On their request of course.)

To all; Mesich has decided to post the Purge.bat file on his website (WWW.Mesich.com) under FREEWARE. (Thanks Mesich, Jeez, I'm all shy now.) I've just (minutes ago) sent him a more clarified/refined version of the file along with a readme.txt which he requested to go along with it.



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Response Number 20
Name: ido4god
Date: October 27, 2003 at 19:29:45 Pacific
Reply:

Dan Penny, Derek, I successfully ran that PURGE.BAT file from DOS Prompt. Yahoo, my APPLOG had about 2.5MB if I remember right and my WIN386.swp file had about 194MB.
Now, APPLOG is empty and WIN386.swp has about 165MB.
I hope this is Right.
I love this website.
Thanks again, hope I can return the favor sometime.


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Response Number 21
Name: Dan Penny
Date: October 28, 2003 at 03:02:16 Pacific
Reply:

Glad it helped you out. I run this about once a week to keep my system trimmed. I especially run it before a scandisk/defrag operation. (Note I said scandisk and not scandskw.)

I run scandisk (with another batch file I wrote) on all my drives at the dos level. I have read, and experienced, that the dos level version does a better job and takes less time.

I should note that I have my system set up to boot to raw dos (with a menu in config.sys/autoexec.bat) at each boot. It defaults to 98SE in eight seconds (or as soon as I hit ENTER so I don't have to wait) unless I choose otherwise. So it's a simple matter to choose, then run what I want.


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Response Number 22
Name: mesich
Date: October 28, 2003 at 05:30:29 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Thomas, Stuart, Dan, Beansoup, PC Bob, Derek, ido4god, hello everyone,

Nice job Dan with the modifications and the readme file. Purge.zip is now upload and ready, I shall make some changes to the text on the page and let you know when I completed it.

Purge

Best Regard and Wishes to All,
Mesich


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Response Number 23
Name: Derek
Date: October 28, 2003 at 10:54:14 Pacific
Reply:

ido4god

Don't get over concerned about the size of Win386.swp which is your Virtual Memory.

If you look in:
My Computer/Properties/Performance/Virtual Memory you will see that it is, not surprisingly, the same size as this file (any slight variation is tied up with how large numbers happen to be presented). Virtual Memory is a reserved chunk of hard disk for use when your system happens to need a bit more RAM, but it's much slower.

Windows will make Virtual Memory as required. If you happen to add more RAM the chances are that the amount of Virtual Memory will then decrease.

I have to confess that I don't bother to delete Win386.swp just to potentially reduce it's size a bit. I can't really see that it matters very much unless your HD space is very critical. It might help defragment it though (depending on how you happen to have things set up).

Derek


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Response Number 24
Name: ido4god
Date: October 28, 2003 at 12:47:22 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks a lot Derek. this is a great site.


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