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Installing XP Pro over Win98SE

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Name: Skunk2001
Date: February 6, 2008 at 08:09:52 Pacific
OS: Win 98SE
CPU/Ram: Amd Athalon/756
Product: GA-7ZX
Comment:

My question is I keep having a problem with files not loading from the XP disk. Here are a few examples,
Setup cannot copy the file: Autochk.exe, basesrv.dll,avifil32.dll, etc.
There are 13 different files that will not copy. The files are on the disk they just won't load?



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Response Number 1
Name: Jennifer SUMN
Date: February 6, 2008 at 09:01:25 Pacific
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Sounds like a bad CD.

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Response Number 2
Name: WebsWonder
Date: February 6, 2008 at 09:20:47 Pacific
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Best to undertake afresh install...


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Response Number 3
Name: trvlr
Date: February 6, 2008 at 09:26:45 Pacific
Reply:

mmm... that issue can frequently be due to less than "purr-fekt" RAM... '98 is a little picky about RAM specs/quality etc... XP even more so...

The error message you get when RAM is the issue is just what you have. You think it's the CD, the CDROM etc... and all the while it's RAM.

YOu need a min of 128Meg installed; how much do you have?

If you can reduce to a single stick (128MEg min) do so and see what happens. Try each stick in turn... And if possible try (beg/borrw - even "s...l" - a known to be good stick - again min 128Meg) and see if that resolves it all...

It is seldom the CD or the CD/DVD drive; although occasionally a lens cleaning disk has been known to resolve the odd issue.


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Response Number 4
Name: Skunk2001
Date: February 6, 2008 at 10:17:58 Pacific
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(1)If it's the cd, can I copy those files onto the hard drive and will XP find them?

(2) Will I lose everything that is on the hard drive, i.e Win98SE

(3)I have 765megs of RAM.

My 52X cd-Rom is dead. I've been using my 32X cd burner. Is it fast enough?


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Response Number 5
Name: cup
Date: February 6, 2008 at 11:43:10 Pacific
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1) Yes, if you specify the correct directory
2) Depends on how you do it. You can put XP on one partition and 98 on a different partition. If you only have one partition, you may lose 98.

The problem is that they have similar directory structures. Also you lose any protection that XP gives you if you stick to FAT32.
3) So you can probably take out one stick as suggested and see if it works.
4) Yes - even a 16X is fast enough.


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Response Number 6
Name: trvlr
Date: February 6, 2008 at 13:47:30 Pacific
Reply:

Strongly encourage you try the RAM approach first. And if it fails then post back and folks can/will advise the next approach...


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: February 6, 2008 at 15:19:28 Pacific
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If you are running 765MB of RAM with Win98 did you modify the registry to allow more than 512MB? That may be causing a problem, just a guess.

Best to perform a clean install of WinXP. Totally different animals.


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Response Number 8
Name: Dan Penny
Date: February 6, 2008 at 15:25:06 Pacific
Reply:

"Sounds like a bad CD"

Could also be a dirty/dusty laser lens.

I had the exact (copying) problem on one of my machines. I used a CDROM (lens) cleaner on the drive, and a CD (media) cleaner on the CD. No luck. Tested RAM = OK.

I went out and bought a new XP Home (Upgrade) CD (~$130.00 or so CDN). It installed fine. I decided to use my first XP CD on another 98SE machine "just to see if". It installed flawlessly. Go figure.

Your topic is "Installing XP Pro *over* Win98SE", so I figured you were performing an upgrade as opposed to a dual boot O/S.

If you have only one hard disk with only one partition, then you will have to perform a Clean or an Upgrade install. Meaning, the 98 O/S will be gone.

I fully agree with OtheHill on the fresh install. In this instance there is no need to worry about the 512 RAM issue.


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Response Number 9
Name: worldlibrary
Date: February 6, 2008 at 18:37:11 Pacific
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If there is not enough free space on the hard drive or there is errors on it, the install will come up with the cannot copy error.

Yes I know xp checks for available space.
I know this I really do...but!

I would check the hard drive for errors, then as suggested do a clean install.

98 was super in its time, but looses its appeal after working with xp for a while.

The duel boot option also becomes a pain after awhile.


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Response Number 10
Name: trvlr
Date: February 7, 2008 at 03:11:20 Pacific
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That's a valid point about XP in the same partition as '98 (as in a dual-boot). XP generally doesn't like sharing its space (partition) with another OS (but will accept other installations of XP in its sapce). Which having sed... some pholks have managed to put both '98 and XP in the same partition...

Similarly the issue of "is there enough space for temo folders/files used during set up..." is one to check.

Can't say as I've ever found a dual (even multi) boot a pain after a while. Although it does I suppose depend a little on just how set up the drive to accommodate the OS various...; particularly if you intend to dump the older OS at some stage...

If, as seems the case you're actually "upgrading" from '98 to XP - I'd go with the general advise to opt for a clean install...; but perhaps first ensure that RAM is OK and that the CDROM is also OK?


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Response Number 11
Name: Skunk2001
Date: February 7, 2008 at 17:09:57 Pacific
Reply:

I removed all but one stick. Still have the same problem.
Why is it copying the other files and nit those 13 files?
I don't know how to save the stuff I have on my HD to transfer over to XP


I removed all but one stick. Still have the same problem.
Why is it copying the other files and nit those 13 files?
I don't know how to save the stuff I have on my HD to transfer over to XP


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Response Number 12
Name: trvlr
Date: February 8, 2008 at 02:33:05 Pacific
Reply:

Did you try each stick in turn Min RAM required each time remaining at 128Meg - if necessary combining sticks to achieve that minimum?


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Response Number 13
Name: Skunk2001
Date: February 8, 2008 at 11:40:33 Pacific
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All 3 sticks are 256Megs

Thanks for all the help. I'll probably have a computer shop do a new XP install and hope they can save what's on the HD.


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Response Number 14
Name: OtheHill
Date: February 8, 2008 at 11:51:54 Pacific
Reply:

Skunk2001

Does Win98 startup now or not? How many MBs of files do you need to recover? Do you have a second drive, a CD or DVD writer, a flash drive, or an External harddrive? If the answer to any of the ablove is true then you should be able to recover the files yourself. Post back with answers.


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Response Number 15
Name: trvlr
Date: February 8, 2008 at 12:22:08 Pacific
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Echoing OtH...

Before you go there (to a shop)... ensure you have copied all data etc. off the system entirely - to optical media; and verify that those copies play both on the PC that made them and at least one other.

You can use either Knoppix or Ubuntu (Linux variants on a CD) to achieve this if the system will not still boot to '98.

Both can be bought for a few $$$/£££; or download (free) an ISO and burn to CD; use that CD to boot the system. The hard-drive will then appear as resource for the OS running entirely from the CD. Then make your copies of data etc.

Another option is to slave the drive to a working system and make the data copies etc. that way - again to optical media.

It is remotely possible the XP disk you have is "faulty" - it's not unknown... If the disk you have is a legitimate disk - perhaps approach M$ and ask for a replacement disk? I think they may offer you one either free (apart from notional shipping cost) - or possibly a wee charge + shipping?

If the XP disk is "not" a legitimate disk (i.e. it's a copy of a legitimate disk), then... I leave you to draw your own conclusions about just how good the "copy" is...?


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Response Number 16
Name: OtheHill
Date: February 8, 2008 at 12:55:16 Pacific
Reply:

On a side note.
Bad media is always a possibility. If the OPs problem is a bad CD this tip won't help them now but I make a practice of burning an archival copy of any important sofware I get. I then install the software from the copy. That way you KNOW for sure you have burned a good copy. I had a student version of XP pro from Newegg.com that wouldn't burn correctly. They eventually replaced the CD with a good copy after some prodding. It does happen.


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Response Number 17
Name: trvlr
Date: February 8, 2008 at 15:13:05 Pacific
Reply:

OtH:

mmm...

That's a useful test to run on "allegedly" good (as in legit) software disks... Must get into the habit of doing just that...

tak


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