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Name: sshhameless1
Date: March 12, 2004 at 14:59:31 Pacific
OS: 98se
CPU/Ram: pentiumII\192mb
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i posted this question as a reply to another post but im new at this forum stuff and didnt know whether it was best to submit as an original post or a reply. along with any help regarding my issue some advice regarding good forum ettiquette would be great too.
while i am surfing my internet explorer appears to hang, however the globe in the right corner spins and the staus bar would say it was detecting proxy settings. no rhyme or reason as to when it happens. it may work fine for 20-30 minutes or it may happen every 3-4 clicks. i followed the instructions given for unchecking the box for automatic detection in the LAN settings and the only difference i can see is that the status bar no longer says *detecting proxy settings*. but it still hangs and the globe continues to spin. if i open an additional browser window while waiting for the first one nothing loads until the original window loads. i have even tried to open outlook and do a send\receive but until that original browser window loads all i get is the msg saying that outlook is connecting to the server. this only happens on my laptop it does not occur on any of the 3 other computers i have on my home network. the laptop is using 98 se and the others are using XP and we all connect thru the router to the cable modem. this so frustrating and any help would be greatly appreciated




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Response Number 1
Name: OtheHill
Date: March 12, 2004 at 16:05:32 Pacific
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To respond to your ettiquette question. Feel free to respond to an ongoing thread if you feel you have something to contribute but if you have a problem of your own its best to make a separate post. If two or more folks are being helped in the same thread, it can get very confusing.
I assume you have a router with 4 or more ports built in? When this problem occurs is anyone else using the internet connection simultaneously? Can you see the other computers on the network?


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Name: sshhameless1
Date: March 12, 2004 at 16:56:22 Pacific
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you assumed correctly there are 4 ports and yes i can see the other computers. not physically but i can tell by the lights on the router when they are active. the problem occurs both when i am the only one online in the evening and during the day when my husband and\or son are online.
thank you for answering my ettiquette question also. that was what i had thought but wanted to make sure. the only other forum i am on has a few uptight members who complain about people that post questions that are already on the forum (even when they are buried 15 pages deep from the most recent topic. so i wasnt sure if they were just being anal or if i was being inconsiderate. thanks again




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Response Number 3
Name: OtheHill
Date: March 13, 2004 at 07:15:11 Pacific
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It is a good idea to search for answers for similar problems before posting. On the other side of that there are folks who have brand new equpment with manuals who post questions that have answers in the manual.
I meant can you see them on your network? Is the router wired or wireless?


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Response Number 4
Name: sshhameless1
Date: March 13, 2004 at 08:41:08 Pacific
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the router is wired and i can not see other puters on the network. it's as if each has its own connection to the internet. each goes to the router and the router to cable modem. i hope i am explaining that right. when i click on entire network in the network neighborhood folder i get an error saying "unable to browse the network" "network is not accessible"

what is the best way to search for answers before posting? i did a search using keywords and the closest i could find was an issue with IE hanging while detecting proxy settings when it is first opened. i followed the suggested fix and it didnt help. my IE hangs rarely when first opened it usually occurs on the 3rd or 4th click and then repeatedly during use with no pattern that i can see


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Response Number 5
Name: OtheHill
Date: March 13, 2004 at 09:25:59 Pacific
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I think that using keywords works best. I would suggest that you configure all the computers with the proper elements to network with each other. Find the info by right clicking the network neighborhood icon and selecting properties. Each computer needs to have 4 elements listed:
Client
Adapter
Protocol
Service
The client is usually Client for Microsoft Networks. The adapter you obviously have or you wouldn't get on the internet. The protocol; All that is need is TCP/IP. The service would be file and print sharing for Microsoft Networks. That covers configuration. Next is identification. Each computer in a LAN needs a unique name. Msoft usually assigns some crypt combo of # & letters. You can change it to something descriptive like the room or the person's name. Next is the workgroup. All computers need to be in the same workgroup for them to show without hunting. WORKGROUP is the default name and works fine. Check to see if you have something provided by your ISP. If so, continue to use it. Next, click on file and print sharing and say yes to both. After rebooting you should see each other. In order to actually share files, folders, drives, or printers you need to enable sharing for that device. Post back with the results.


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Response Number 6
Name: sshhameless1
Date: March 13, 2004 at 11:22:18 Pacific
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my husband works from home and his computer contains info that to his business would be considered sensitive. he is afraid that if all the computers were visible as you suggest his computer would be more vulnerable to hacking than it is now due to the firewall that is part of the router. something to do with my or my sons computer not being as cautious about security could result in access to him through ours. i think most of his concern is that although we try to instruct and keep an eye on our 11 yr olds computing he would not be as knowledgeable or as cautious as we are. is this a valid concern that i can protect against or is it an issue at all with what you have suggested


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: March 13, 2004 at 12:24:31 Pacific
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They aren't any more visable than before to the outside world. The router is your first and best line of defense. You already have a two way path thru the router to and from each machine. If you read the post again I stated that you still need to share files for them to be assessable. If your husband is truly worried about being hacked he needs to take more precautions than he is now. The router is a hardware firewall. This is a good solution for your uses, better than a software solution. That said, anyone capable of finding thier way thru the router probably wouldn't have much trouble accessing your husband's machine. If the router is set at the defaults, there are no ports always open and port 80 should be the only one that can even be pinged from the outside. If your son plays online games, there could be open ports for that reason. Try doing a google search for computer security and let someone test your present system. This would be a free automated test that would tell you if you are secure. You should also have software installed on one of your machines to setup the router. That can also tell you if you have open ports. Bottom line is that the router is pretty good protection unless is has been reset. Even if your husband doesn't want to participate in a network you can still configure the remaining machines for networking. In essence you may already be mostly there. Check from each machine in the networksettings and see if you can see other computers. Business files could be kept on an extenal or removable drive. I run a building business from my home. I don't keep any sensitive info on my computers. No SS#s, no credit card #s, no autofill on IE, none of that stuff. But I have senen computers networked to a switch and router behind a cable modem. Are you on Cable, If so check with your Cable provider to see if your system uses static or dynamic addressing. Dynamic is better. That means each time someone logs onto the internet the address assigned temporarily to you is different. Makes it difficult for hackers to even know you exist. If you have more questions fell free to post. If you want other opinions, please feel free to ask. I won't take offence. You don't know if I know what I am talking about or not.


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Response Number 8
Name: sshhameless1
Date: March 13, 2004 at 16:34:00 Pacific
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son has a football game today so i will do as you suggested this evening or tomorrow. and if i havent said it already, thank you so much for your help. i will post to let you know if it works


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: March 13, 2004 at 19:08:14 Pacific
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OK, glad to be of help.


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Response Number 10
Name: sshhameless1
Date: March 13, 2004 at 20:59:25 Pacific
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i want to thankyou so very much for your help. in the evenings i sit surfing using the laptop while my husband either watching TV or on his laptop. this is supposed to be a relaxing time but with my browser constantly hanging like it was it was so frustrating. thanks to your help it seems that the IE is working great. hasnt stopped yet. i only did what you suggested to my desktop pc and this one so far, but the others have always worked fine as they are. taking the time to help myself and others like me with limited knowledge(but doing all i can to learn more)is really a very nice thing for you to do and please know that i for one appreciate it. i did post the same issue 2 times on Msofts discussion and didnt receive a single reply to either. so that just shows you that being the biggest isnt always the best. if you believe in these things be assured that you have surely earned some good karma today


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