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IBM Thinkpad - Boot with no OS

August 10, 2007 at 11:48:17
Specs: Windows 95, Pentium I 166 MHz, 48 MB

Hi.

My problem is as follows:
I've got a laptop - as stated in the topic.
I have recently formatted c:. I had Win98
there, but I wanted to change it to Win95.

I made a partition D:, on which I put all the
files from Win95 CD.
I was pretty sure I would be able to boot
from HDD. Somehow, it won't. This laptop
won't boot from CD either.
Straight after formatting c: i could use DOS,
unfortunately now i can't, it wont let me into dos.

I've got CD-ROM only here, no floppy.

Please reply, regards.
Simon


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#1
August 10, 2007 at 12:49:27

Since it will not boot from CD rom, and no floppy drive, how did you do the format and create the D partition and also copy the win95 cd contents to the D drive? you can connect the laptop drive to the desk top using an adapter then run the format command for c using sys c, or sys s (I do not remember, it has been a while) so the drive will be bootable when you put it back in the laptop, then navigate to the D drive and run the setup from there.

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#2
August 10, 2007 at 12:54:05

Im not sure exactly what your trying to do. But you can copy all the setup files to another drive or partition and if you had or you can get a floppy drive for your model you can use a bootdisk and setup 95 it will see the partition as a cd-rom. I have done this with 98 before not sure if it will work with 95 but im sure it will. But you need a floppy drive. Most of those laptops have removeable cd-rom drives and a floppy drive goese in its place.

Thanks


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#3
August 10, 2007 at 12:54:52

"Since it will not boot from CD rom, and no floppy drive, how did you do the format and create the D partition and also copy the win95 cd contents to the D drive?"

Glad it's not just me.


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#4
August 10, 2007 at 13:23:20

If the laptop has no floppy drive, it HAS to be able to boot to CD.

Turn on the laptop, and look to see how it tells you to go into setup. you probably have to press your DEL key, or F10, or F2 or something like that. Maybe you'll even see "Press F8 for boot order". Either way, set your boot order in the bios to make it to boot to CDROM first.

Its been a while, but I don't believe the Windows 95 CD is bootable. You need to make a DOS boot CD from another computer.

John Carr
Network Analyst


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#5
August 10, 2007 at 13:23:52

"But you can copy all the setup files to another drive or partition"

He already did.

"use a bootdisk and setup 95 it will see the partition as a cd-rom"

Now there's a concept.


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#6
August 11, 2007 at 03:47:04

First of all thanks to you all for quick responses.

@budm

"Since it will not boot from CD rom, and no
floppy drive, how did you do the format and
create the D partition and also copy the win95
cd contents to the D drive?"

I had Windows 98 installed in there. I wanted
to change it, as it was german. Using Partition
Magic copied on a CD, I was able to make a
d: partition, on which i simply copied Win95 files. I used DOS to "format c:", and it did.

@CHKDSK

"..get a floppy drive for your model you can use a bootdisk and setup 95 it will see the partition as a cd-rom."

I suppose I'll be able to solve my problem
using a floppy. However, i do not have one atm
so i would have to find and buy one.
I'm just asking if there is a way to solve this
without an FDD.

@JohnCarrJr

"If the laptop has no floppy drive, it HAS to be able to boot to CD."

Originally, Thinkpad 760XL has an FDD built-in
(yet i think so). Though, it does have a removable
FDD, which can be changed to CD-ROM.
I bought this laptop with a CD-ROM.
Summin up, it will NOT boot from CD :/
Only floppy.


I was quiet sure there will be no problem
booting from HDD, since in BIOS i can set one
of 4 HDD's :o Though, none of the combinations
would work.

Thanks, Simon.


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#7
August 11, 2007 at 06:27:10

http://www.mwpms.uklinux.net

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#8
August 11, 2007 at 06:33:31

To boot the partition must be active. And the system files installed.

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#9
August 11, 2007 at 20:35:53

"Boot with no OS"

That is not possible. As Wizard-Fred said, the partition must be active and have an OS installed.


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#10
August 12, 2007 at 01:31:41

gah okay thats not what i wanted to hear but..

:) thanks for telling me the truth, ima try to get
a floppy :)

Thanks and bye!
Simon


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#11
August 19, 2007 at 21:00:21

In case of certain IBM Thinkpads (like 760), they won't boot neither from CDROM nor from a bootable floppy. Somebody gave me one of those with a blank active partition, and I wasn't able to boot it from a bootable DOS6.22 floppy. Well, try to enter BIOS setup utility holding F1 when booting and change boot sequence to the floppy. When restarting, the b---tard just says "19990305", and that's the end of it. Good luck!


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#12
October 13, 2007 at 03:33:09

Hoi

im bringing this topic back.

@Jake, it does boot from floppy.

I've just got an FDD for my laptop.
The drive is swappable with my CD-ROM.
I found a bootdisk for Windows 95.

Though, it still won't install on my HDD
because of the fact that it's formated and
inactive as some of you said.

Do you all mean i cannot do ANYTHING with my
laptop now? It's useless? :X
I don't think there's no way to make it
usable again, or else there wouldn't be a
format c: command .)

If anyone knows anything about it, please respond.

I'm now going to look for some BIOS update
for a floppy that'll make it able to boot
from a CD.. if it's possible.


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#13
October 14, 2007 at 03:58:01

Hi Simon, budm, CHKDSK, Mechanix2Go, JohnCarrJr, Walter Mitty, wizard-fred, aegis, Jake, hi everyone

Thus you are now able to boot the laptop with a bootdisk in your newly bought floppy drive, right?

Assuming you are, your first goal is to create if not already existant and set active a Primary partition. That would be your C:

At the DOS prompt, when you have booted your laptop with the bootdisk, type dir fdisk.exe [Enter] (notice the space between dir and fdisk). If this returns one file found, you can continue... otherwise you will need to get yourself a other bootdisk, MS-DOS or Win95 or Win98, that contains fdisk.exe

At the DOS prompt type in fdisk [Enter], if prompted to enable large disk support (Win98 bootdisk) answer [N], choose Display partition information (option 4) and post back the output.

Best Regards and Wishes,
The Count, Co-webmaster of mesich.com


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#14
October 14, 2007 at 05:44:28

hai!
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/...
<- that's whta i get

hmm

Regardz


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#15
October 14, 2007 at 06:06:48

Hi Simon, budm, CHKDSK, Mechanix2Go, JohnCarrJr, Walter Mitty, wizard-fred, aegis, Jake, hi everyone

From the Display partition information screen, screen photo, what does it show when you enter [Y] to display logical drive information?

I believe you will need to delete the 1st partition, Non-DOS, and re-create a Primary partition from the available space.

Do not delete the the 2nd partition, EXT DOS, as it will most likely contain your D: drive with your Windows 95 installation files.

I will be back within a couple of hours.

Best Regards and Wishes,
The Count, Co-webmaster of mesich.com


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#16
October 14, 2007 at 06:30:02

Okay, understood

Though.. there's an intersting thing i've found out.
So, I was somehow able, having previously
put in a WIN 95 bootdisk diskette,
enter my c: and d: drives..
No idea how, but i'm now going to update the
history of my laptop -_-'

So, before formatting the HDD, i've made a
partition with a Partition Magic.
I put a copy of Windows 95 installer in there.
Then i've formatted only the partition which
contained the existing, installed windows.

Now a couple of hours ago i just entered it
in MS-DOS..
The DOS is not installed either, i've used
a Windows 95 bootdisk to use it.
I run setup.exe, and began installing windows 95.

Although, there was an error:
SU-0013

>>Error SU0013
Setup could not create files on your startup drive and cannot set up Windows. If you have HPFS or Windows NT file system, you must create an MS-DOS boot partition. If you have LANtastic server or SuperStor compression, disable it before running Setup. See SETUP.TXT on Setup Disk 1 or the Windows CD-ROM.<<

on this site:
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...
i've found THIS:

>>You may receive this error message if you install Windows 95 over Windows 95 OSR2 and you are using the FAT32 file system on your hard disk. You may also receive this error message if you are running EZ Drive and you have the Floppy Boot Protection option enabled in EZ Drive. To resolve this behavior, disable the Floppy Boot Protection option in EZ Drive. For additional information about this error message, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:<<

But I don't really understand what should i do..


Moreover!

I've found a program called Partition Pro 5.0
It allows me to do quiet many things with my partitions,
such as setting it active, changing primary->logical
and another way round and so on..
Here's a picture of it:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...


Huh seems like a long post.
Hope with so many helpful programs you'll
be able to help me with my problem :)
if you'd like to o.o

Thanks and regards,
Simon.


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#17
October 14, 2007 at 12:59:57

Hi Simon, budm, CHKDSK, Mechanix2Go, JohnCarrJr, Walter Mitty, wizard-fred, aegis, Jake, hi everyone

Okay, I am back home... let's see what we have got... interesting, a Non-active Fat32 partition of 1.513,9 MB (1,47 GB) which probably was the partition you formatted (Volume name: LOKANY). An Active Fat32 partition of 500 MB, Volume name: SYSTEMOWY, which you probably created in Windows before the format procedure and a little bit (2 MB) of free space (Unallocated).

What strikes me is that PQMagic Pro 5.0 for DOS shows something different to what Fdisk showed in the earlier screen photo.
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7623/opvo3.jpg)

Looking at one of my own drives, PQMagic Pro 5.0 for DOS (yeah I have it too, for years already), shows
Partition; C:OS Type; FAT32 Status; Active Pri/Log; Primary
Partition; *. Type; Extended Status; None Pri/Log; Primary
Partition; E:PROGRAMS Type; FAT32 Status; None Pri/Log; Logical
Partition; F:DISK1PART03 Type; FAT32 Status; None Pri/Log; Logical
Okay, let's put that a side and continue and try to get you going.

Let's try this with PQMagic for a change.
Select the partition that had your previous installation of Windows 98, I think that would be the first one listed (LOKANY), and try to set it to the status Active (Click on Operations => Advanced => Set Active...)

If you succeeded, your next step is to convert both partitions to Fat16.
Click on Operations => Convert => FAT32 to FAT... apply this step to both partitions.

Next you want to format the 1st partition, LOKANY, click on Operations => Format.
You need to specify the type of Format being applied, options are: FAT, FAT32, HPFS, NTFS, Linux Ext2 and Linux Swap, choose FAT. You may leave the Label blank/empty if you like, but you need to type in OK in to the confirmation field to confirm that you want to format the particular partition. If you don't type in OK, the [OK] button will not become available.

With all these steps taken, there is one more to go before you can sit back and wait.
Click on General => Apply Changes.
If you prefer to be on the safe side, which might be a good idea, you can Apply Changes after every single step you take from the above instructions.

Post back the outcome, if you fail anywhere in the process shout back where it went wrong.

Best Regards and Wishes,
The Count, Co-webmaster of mesich.com


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#18
October 18, 2007 at 05:57:39

Well hai The Count, and GREAT thanks for what you've written here.

Unfortunately - or maybe fortunately - i had no chance to check if it would help me, as yesterday i have already tried something with my laptop as i had no possibility to check this site.

So, here's how the matters are proceeding :)
I've merged the 2 partitions i had...
Though, there has been an error that fuxed the whole process after like an hour..
Let alone the error, there was nothing on the disc anymore.
But.. it was active.

I got an MS-DOS os on 3 floppies, and i installed it. Now, the situation is as follows:
I've got a C: partition only, with MS-DOS 6.22 installed.
Apparently i can run the system without having a Floppy Disc Drive installed inside of my laptop. yey!

That means i can at last swich to a CD-ROM.
I installed a CD-ROM into my laptop, entered BIOS, and made sure the laptop 'sees' the drive.
Although, somehow in the dos i cannot enter the cd-rom drive, whatever letter i type (usually it's F: , isn't it? Works not unfortunately)

Just to add: using Volkov's Commander i'm able to copy files from my diskette onto C: drive. Maybe there's a program that might help me now..

The Count, i'm sorry i didnt follow your instructions, but i had no way to check that site and i was really curious about if i'd manage to make it work somehow..
Oh, btw, what let me enter my C: partition again was changeing the filetype (FAT32 -> FAT) as you said.

Now just to enter the cd-rom..

Regards and thanks for help <3


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#19
October 19, 2007 at 02:47:17

Hi Simon, budm, CHKDSK, Mechanix2Go, JohnCarrJr, Walter Mitty, wizard-fred, aegis, Jake, hi everyone

Under normal circumstances merging the two partitions back to one "huge" partition, C:, should not result in to loss of data (your Windows installation files) while making use of PQMagic.
Let's assume the error is the cause of the loss of, luckily not really important, data.

Look to it on the bright sight, you have got yourself a Active, FAT, partitioned HDD and are able to boot the laptop without a bootdisk in place. "yey!" :-)

The most probable reason for you being unable to access the CD-ROM drive in DOS, regardless of the drive letter entered (could be any letter from D: through Z:, where D: is the most common (in the old DOS day's) with one partition only) is because there aren't any drivers installed yet.

One can copy files from and to floppy disk(ette) with the good old DOS commands too. :-)
Example:
md C:\test1[Enter] this command creates a directory/folder named test1 on C:.
copy A:\*.* C:\test1[Enter] this command copies all files in the root/top directory/folder from the floppy disk(ette) in to the directory/folder test1 on the C: drive.
dir C:\test1 /p[Enter] this command shows all files present in the directory/folder test1 on the C: drive and pauses if there are that many files and cannot be displayed in one screen. To get a good picture of the difference of this command with and without /p, type in dir C:\DOS[Enter] and
dir C:\DOS /p[Enter].

N.B.You don't have to use capitals in any of the commands, you do have to use a space as shown.

Okay, now back to the topic. :-)
You have to copy the CD-ROM driver file from your Windows 95 bootdisk to your laptop it's HDD, and modify two files located in the root/top directory/folder on the C: drive.

With your floppy disk drive (FDD) installed, boot your laptop from the HDD thus without a floppy disk(ette) in the FDD.
At the DOS-prompt type in:
md C:\CDROM[Enter], insert your Windows 95 bootdisk in to the FDD.
copy A:\*.sys C:\CDROM[Enter]
When finished you should see the result saying something like: xx file(s) copied, where xx represents the amount of files copied.

Now the CD-ROM driver files are on the HDD, but the (D)OS still isn't aware of them and therefor doesn't make use of them to address the CD-ROM drive.

At the DOS-prompt type in:
edit C:\Config.sys[Enter] now you will see a blue "window" with white text lines, here you will need to insert some extra command lines. You can navigate in the text with your cursor keys (arrow keys), [Enter]key to insert a new line.

Between the lines reading device=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS and FILES=xx insert the the following command line:
device=C:\CDROM\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
Safe the file by holding down the [Alt] and quickly pressing the [F]key, hit the Upwards arrow once to quickly move to Exit, hit the [Enter]key to safe the changes and exit the file.

One down, one to go...
At the DOS-prompt type in:
edit C:\Autoexec.bat[Enter].
Locate the line reading PATH C:\;C:\DOS; and go to end of the line.
If the ; is missing at the end of the line type in ;C:\CDROM; else type in C:\CDROM; and hit [Enter] once to insert a line.
Insert the the following command line:
LH C:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001
Safe the file as instructed above.

oakcdrom.sys is a general CD-ROM drive device driver, which works with most CD-ROM drives. If this driver fails to address the CD-ROM drive, we can try others located in the CD-ROM directory/folder or download the driver at the IBM/Lenovo website.
(http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=RMIE-38CEKN)

Power down your laptop, take out the FDD and insert the CD-ROM drive and power on the laptop.
Pay close attention to the screen output, if all went well you should at some point see the CD-ROM drive being assigned a drive letter.

If you see any error messages, or would like to tweak/fine tune your system prior to install Windows 95, post back the complete contents of the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files. Don't forget to post the exact error message if any.

With your CD-ROM drive installed, assigned a drive letter and accessible from DOS you are good and ready to install Windows 95. :-)

If Windows doesn't properly detect all the hardware, you will need a program like Aida32 Personal Edition or Everest Home Edition to identify the installed hardware and then hunt down the appropriate Windows 95 drivers.
I checked the IBM website and there aren't any useful drivers for the IBM ThinkPad 760XL running Windows 95.
(http://www.mesich.com/download/aida32pe_393.exe)

Best Regards and Wishes,
The Count, Co-webmaster of mesich.com


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#20
October 19, 2007 at 13:44:28

well im sorry to say that but

IT'S RUNNING O_O
finally!!1 with your help i managed to get windows 95 installed, cd-rom working (after getting some drivers) and so on..
:D thanks for j00 help people, mostly The Count, at last i'll be able to... write :D
<3 and cya, i think ima check these forums from time to time, just to see what's up and if there's someone i could help .)

<3 and cya, and thanks again The Count for your help .)


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#21
October 20, 2007 at 03:26:54

Hi Simon, budm, CHKDSK, Mechanix2Go, JohnCarrJr, Walter Mitty, wizard-fred, aegis, Jake, hi everyone

"well im sorry to say that but"
I'm confussed... %-/

You are most welcome!
Thanks for posting back the final results, it's very much appreciated. :-)

Sorry for the lenghty posts, thought some additional/background information would be in place. Again you are most welcome!

Best Regards and Wishes,
The Count, Co-webmaster of mesich.com


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#22
October 20, 2007 at 06:08:28

it was sarcasm.. though i know how hard it is to feel an irony in writtings in the internet :-)

kthxbai (: <3


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