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Name: Jack1947
Date: July 3, 2004 at 04:22:29 Pacific
OS: W98SE
CPU/Ram: AMD K6 2/500 380MB
Comment:

Hi,
Sometime when I access a web site I get a page a few days old, obviously from Temp. internet files. Can I do anything other than refresh(F5)?
TIA

Jack



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Response Number 1
Name: Bryco
Date: July 3, 2004 at 05:21:22 Pacific
Reply:

Assuming that you always want the most updated page then go to IE Tools, Internet Options, General tab, Temporary Internet Files (TIF) section and click on the Settings button.

Check for newer versions of stored pages:
Select 'Automatically'
Click Ok, Ok.

I would suspect 'Never' was selected causing you to have to hit F5 (Refresh).
The 'Never' setting is good for folks on a dial up connection and when visiting sites on a regular basis where the content never changes. The page/es will load faster.
A good example is a Tutorial of many chapters that will remain the same over years of viewing.

Most websites change often.
If I were reading a city newspaper on line every day then seeing yesterday's news would be no good.

So, unless you are really wanting to maintain the TIF cache then I would also suggest you go to IE Tools, Internet Options, Advanced and under the Security section place a check next to "Empty TIF folder when browser is closed"
Click Apply and Ok.

This setting does exactly what it states.

It also saves hard drive space and then you must load each page the first time you go to a site after opening your browser.

I am unsure of the difference between Automatically and 'Every visit to the page'.

HTH
Bryan


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Response Number 2
Name: mesich
Date: July 3, 2004 at 09:36:01 Pacific
Reply:

Hello everyone,

Very nicely stated Bryan.

The difference between "Automatically" and "Every visit" is that "Every Visit" will check whether the page has changed since your last visit, regarless if you visited the site this session or previously.

Automatically uses an algorithm to try and determine how often it needs to check for changes. In other words, if I have "Automatically" selected and visit my homepage, which hasn't changed, IE over a period of time will check for changes less frequently.

On the other hand, if I visit CNN, with "Automatically" selected, it will check for changes as though "Every Visit" was selected, because it see's that changes to the site are made frequently over a period of time.

Best Regards,
Mesich


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Response Number 3
Name: ham30
Date: July 3, 2004 at 11:14:08 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Mesich, for that info about `automatically'. I always wondered how that worked.


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Response Number 4
Name: mesich
Date: July 3, 2004 at 11:43:03 Pacific
Reply:

Hello everyone,

Ham30,

My pleasure.

I'm fortunate enough to have cable and the majority of the sites I visit change the content frequently so my personal preference is "Every visit to the page". Again, that is just a personal preference.

Best Regards,
Mesich


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Response Number 5
Name: Jack1947
Date: July 3, 2004 at 23:46:17 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks, Mesich, Ham 30 and Bryco. Very much appreciate your help. I tried at it did the trick.
Cheers.

Jack


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Response Number 6
Name: Bryco
Date: July 4, 2004 at 05:56:51 Pacific
Reply:

Jack, I am glad you worked it out.

Mesich, Thanks for the information.

From: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;263070

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Description of the Cache Settings
There are four options under Check for newer versions of stored pages:

Every visit to the page: When you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet Explorer should check to see whether the page changed since you last viewed it. If the page has changed, Internet Explorer displays the new page and stores it in the Temporary Internet Files. Note that selecting this option can slow down browsing between pages you have already viewed.

Every time you start Internet Explorer: When you view a Web site that you have visited before in the same Internet Explorer session, Internet Explorer uses the cached temporary Internet files instead of downloading the page. If you press F5 or click Refresh, Internet Explorer downloads the page.

Automatically (Internet Explorer 5 and later only): This is the same as the previous setting, but with a logic algorithm to understand the habits of Web page behavior. This setting specifies that when you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet Explorer should not check to see whether the page has changed since you last viewed it.

If you select this setting, Internet Explorer checks for new content only when you return to a page that you viewed in an earlier session of Internet Explorer or on an earlier day. Over time, if Internet Explorer determines that images on the page are changing infrequently, it checks for newer images even less frequently.

Never: Internet Explorer does not check the Web server for newer content.
End quote.

As much as I don't want to open any cans of worms but...
"Automatically uses an algorithm to try and determine how often it needs to check for changes."
...I wonderr where this information is stored or controlled? Could it be within the index.dat file?

From another unrelated article:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;236020

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SYMPTOMS
When you attempt to POST from within Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Word using a macro, POST requests that should appear in a new browser window may not work.
CAUSE
If the "Check for newer versions of stored pages" cache setting is set to "At every visit to the page" in Internet Explorer, Wininet.dll causes an entry to expire too early. Wininet.dll may also occasionally cause the entry to expire if the "Every time you start Internet Explorer" cache setting is enabled.
End quote

Apparently the Wininet.dll has something to do with it.
My registry does not contain the keys noted in the above article but, on a side note, I do have:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\P3P\History
and it contains like every non-desirable site in it.
Anyone else have this folder in theirs?
I wonder if the P3P folder is related to Spybot or AdAware?

Regards,
Bryan


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Response Number 7
Name: mesich
Date: July 4, 2004 at 06:21:23 Pacific
Reply:

Hello everyone,

Jack1947,

Glad to hear everything is now working.

Bryan,

The Key, HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\
Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\P3P\History, is a list of blocked Cookies for individual websites within the Privacy Settings in Internet Options.

Yes, Spybot, Spyware Blaster, or one can manually input the websites.

As far as the information for "Automatically Check" I am not quite sure. I will look into it though and post back.


Best Regards,
Mesich


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