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Name: Homer J Simpson
Date: March 16, 2001 at 13:35:14 Pacific
Subject: How often do you turn off your PC???
Comment:

hi everyone,

i have a question for all of you, i would like to know how often you turn off your PC's.

i only do when maintainence is required or if i'm leaving town for a couple of weeks.

i have friends who turn off there system over night.

i also know people who turn on there computers only when they use it, this means about 2-3 times a day.

i would appreciate it if you can find the time to answer my question. if you could tell me why you do that to your machine.

Thanks.

HJS


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Response Number 1
Name: wcr3d
Date: March 16, 2001 at 13:38:55 Pacific
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I turn my off nightly. I have a cable modem and this is sure fired way to keep others out! Also saves electricity. I have been doing this for over 10 years with no ill effects. Granted things wear out or break but I don't believe any of my problems have been related to this.
wcr3d


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Response Number 2
Name: MindsEye
Date: March 16, 2001 at 13:43:39 Pacific
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Hi there
I only shut mine off if I am going to be out of town or if extreme weather is heading our way.
Cheers


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Response Number 3
Name: Bryan
Date: March 16, 2001 at 13:44:49 Pacific
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I turn mine off every night and pull the plug. Also during thunderstorms as I lost a modem and two telephones.


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Response Number 4
Name: MarioH
Date: March 16, 2001 at 14:14:59 Pacific
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I turn mine off every night and is typically off if I'm not using it. I also cut off all power to all my computer equipment when not in use.


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Response Number 5
Name: Pat
Date: March 16, 2001 at 14:27:26 Pacific
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Hi Home, I agree w/all responses except #2. I NEVER leave my machine on overnight for ANY reason. Just makes good sense to me that if you're not using it, why let it run. Been doing this since '92 and no ill effects at all except "operator error" ;-)


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Response Number 6
Name: Peer
Date: March 16, 2001 at 15:07:20 Pacific
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I leave my machine on all the time, turning it off for hardware upgrades, if I leave town for an extended period of time, during lightning storms or if the power goes out so I don't get that starting surge from every house on the street going on at the same time. I also run a web server on the machine so it kind of needs to be on. I didn't notice a big differance in the power bill (must be the compact fluorescent bulbs I use) I also have all lines connected to the computer surge protected.

If you have no need for the computer to be on all the time I would say turn it off nightly. So you would arive home from work / school, turn on the computer, then turn it off at night leaving it till you come home again. Or at work turn it on when you get there in the morning, shut it off before you leave. This prevents the least amount of excess wear and power consumption. Probably the wear saved from the machine being off makes up for the wear of restarting, but constant power on and off can't be too good.

Right now my machine is at 43 days uptime. It will crash at 49.7 because it isn't patched for a bug. Oh well.


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Response Number 7
Name: FatBoy
Date: March 16, 2001 at 15:12:34 Pacific
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I turn mine off when I am finished using it for the day/night strictly to conserve energy...But then again, I fine my kids when they don't turn off a light when leaving a room...Its amazing how much energy we just abuse...We're a large family which requires 5 vehicles including 2 4x4's for the beach and winter but every 3 years I buy a car that gets the highest gas mileage on the market...With no options and then when a family member wants to make a short local trip, they must take that car..I feel its a real waste to take one of the 4x4's just to go shopping but thats just me...I also can't see wasting food...lol..

Back to the computer question, I feel most people turn their computers off and wcr3d in reply #1 makes a real good point about turning it off for security reasons if your connected via cable modem...


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Response Number 8
Name: tommy
Date: March 16, 2001 at 15:24:26 Pacific
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I keep mine on all the time cause i use it as and ftp server, it has a backup power supply and hardware based firewall, most people have no need to keep their system on all the time.


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Response Number 9
Name: Jim Clark
Date: March 16, 2001 at 15:41:29 Pacific
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I turn mine off whenever I am not using it. For all the reasons that others have mentioned, but on top of that...when your system is on, your hard disk platters are rotating. Since they rotate, they have ball bearings. Notice that hard disk manufacturer's warrenty their hard disks for from 3 to 5 years or so many thousands of HOURS of USE! So if you leave your computer on all the time, guess what???? You are using up those hours...and eventually asking for, if not BEGGING for, a hard disk crash.
Secondly, your power supply also has so many hours on it, and if it starts to go out, it can FRY your motherboard and all components.
My advice...turn it off when not in use!


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Response Number 10
Name: Doeboy
Date: March 16, 2001 at 16:01:52 Pacific
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I leave mine on 24/7


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Response Number 11
Name: Brad
Date: March 16, 2001 at 17:15:20 Pacific
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I turn my machine off every night, and when i do hardware upgrades, and when there is a storm around hte area.


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Response Number 12
Name: janib
Date: March 16, 2001 at 17:55:38 Pacific
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Anybody have power management? I put mine in sleep mode when not using it. Also can be shutdown in windows with the power management feature and uses very little power. A lot of power problems can be avoided with a UPS,(uninterupted power supply) providing clean power to your system. No power surges, brown outs, etc.


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Response Number 13
Name: Peer
Date: March 16, 2001 at 19:14:39 Pacific
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A front wheel drive workes fine for me going to the store in the summer or in 10 cm of snow in the winter. If you are worried about the power lights consume look into compact fluorescent lights.

My problem with power management is the harddrive is never not accessed for long enough to be effective to shut it off. People always access it speraticly, maybe at 30 minute intervuls, maybe 10, maybe 3 hours. Plus last time I calculated it the life of the platter spining was 17 years of 24/7. Maybe hard drives are just crappier today. A replacement drive is cheap anyways.


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Response Number 14
Name: DR DOOM
Date: March 16, 2001 at 19:50:42 Pacific
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I usually wait till the case heats up, and I can bake a egg or two on it.

I usually leave my comp on for about 24 hours, then I shot it off. Sometimes I just leave it on depends on how I'm feeling.

As for electricty, I don't pay that, and taxes.......

I'm a redman aka Native American.

And no, we don't live in Teepees, or maybe we do?

Woo hoo!!


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Response Number 15
Name: DR DOOM
Date: March 16, 2001 at 19:54:07 Pacific
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Ahhhh shot it off?

hehehahah I guess the english language is still hard to grasp!


No really though, I have to get back to sleep, my Native American name is,"He who waits for download."


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Response Number 16
Name: T
Date: March 16, 2001 at 21:18:32 Pacific
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My pc is on about 20 hours out of every day but it is in use by one of 4 people in the household. If it is not in use I shut it down. Wear and tear on all the parts cannot be a good thing.



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Response Number 17
Name: Hypnotized
Date: March 16, 2001 at 22:53:53 Pacific
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I never turn mine off...If my computer burned out id probably spend more time
with the family..hehe


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Response Number 18
Name: Preston
Date: March 16, 2001 at 23:57:16 Pacific
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At work, we used to be told to only shut down computers at the end of the workday because the contraction/expansion in the circuit boards/cpu when turned on/off is what usually kills them in the end. However, since we now have to upgrade computers every 2 years or so to keep up with the times/software, no one cares any longer. We turn them on/off according to whim. They'll be gone within a couple of years anyway so who cares?

At home, our 2 computers are on from after school/work until bedtime. I just make sure the cases are well ventilated to prevent excessive heat build up that might hurt the drives/cpu. My home computers are also replaced every 2-3 years, so we don't worry that much about it. CD-R backups prevent worries, also.


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Response Number 19
Name: Blazer
Date: March 17, 2001 at 02:15:47 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

# 61848 Leave Computer On or Off ?

Response Number 10
Name: Blazer
Date: January 24, 2001 at 11:18:43 Pacific
Subject: To turn off computer or not!

Reply:
This question always gets more responses than it deserves . I mostly leave mine on with maximum powerdown after a specified time.
This is one is an interesting response :
Turning a machine on and off frequently
has a side effect called thermal cycling.
Components heating up and cooling down is
said to be one of the largest contributors
to component failure. I have seen unsecured
boards "creep" up out of their slots and burn out board and slot.

Also see:

http://www.lcsc.edu/it/computer_shutdown.htm


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Response Number 11
Name: Heather Braun
Date: January 24, 2001 at 11:21:58 Pacific
Homepage: Consciousness Beholding All
Subject: To turn off computer or not!

Reply:
Thanks everyone...I appreciate the input! So basically...still two points of view.
Larry sent me an email with the following info:
The PC power question boils down to wearing out components by leaving the
system on versus jolting the system with electricity through frequent on and
off cycles. The biggest stress on any electrical system is turning it on.
Bruce Drenning, network engineer for DPSC Technology Consultants, says
turning on any electrical appliance produces an initial electrical spike
that is generally three times higher than the amount of electricity needed
to power the appliance. You've witnessed this phenomenon if the lights in
your home ever dimmed when you turned on a hair dryer. Light bulbs tend to
blow with that initial spike of electricity produced when you turn them on.
The more frequently you flip the switch on and off, the shorter the bulb's
life. Leaving it on all the time protects the bulb from that spike, but it
will still eventually burn out. The same is true of your PC, which tends to
be particularly sensitive to that initial electrical spike.
Thermal stress is another startup problem for your PC and another good
reason to leave it on. When the PC comes on, the components heat up and
expand. When turned off, they cool down and contract. This cycle of thermal
stress is more detrimental to the life span of your PC and is more of an
immediate threat than the individual components wearing out. Another school
of thought says that the parts wear out anyway, so there is no reason to
waste electricity by leaving your PC on all the time. Steven Koch, technical
services engineer with Sony, advises keeping damage from the initial power
surge in perspective. Jostling your computer in a move, smoking around it,
and dropping it are all far more damaging than turning it off and on, he
says.
Monitoring Power.

While there's no general consensus on PCs, manufacturers and technical
support people say if you plan to leave your monitor for more than two
hours, you should turn it off or put it in sleep mode. This special setting
leaves the monitor on in a low power mode. Newer operating systems let you
program how long your monitor can be left unattended before "going to
sleep."

A monitor running at full power consumes nearly as much power as a PC, which
can significantly increase your electric bill. Figures vary considerably,
but monitors in use can consume 80 to 150 watts. Most monitors we checked
drew 8 to 15 watts in sleep mode. Turning off the monitor doesn't
necessarily stop the drawing of power altogether. Any appliance with a
memory setting and no battery backup will continue to draw 3 to 8 watts even
when turned off. Monitors that let you set the screen width, for example,
will preserve that setting when they're off, but to do it they need power.
Without this feature, you have to reset the monitor each time you turn it
on. Koch says the amount of power monitors draw is such a concern in the
industry that Sony is working on a monitor with a zero watt switch. The
monitor draws close to zero watts and is as close to unplugging it as you
can get without actually pulling the plug.

Power saving features similar to these are a key feature in green PCs. The
housing and internal components of these PCs are built with recyclable
materials. Features such as low energy sleep modes let green PCs run
constantly with a negligible effect on electric bills. Smart monitors, which
meet the guidelines set by the Video/Electronic Standards Association
(VESA), have four stages in which the monitor gradually uses less power.
These monitors can be programmed through operating systems that comply with
Display Power Management Signaling (DPMS) standards. The first DPMS stage is
on and functioning - either the monitor is in use or the screen saver is
engaged. In this stage, the monitor draws peak power. In the standby stage,
the monitor draws 50% less power and offers a fast reaction to input; it
responds almost immediately to mouse movement. In the suspend (or sleep)
stage, the picture tube is actually off, and the monitor draws 10 to 15
watts.

To get out of suspend, you must press the PC's wake-up or sleep button.
Because the picture tube was off, the monitor will slowly grow brighter just
as it does when you first power up for the day. The final stage is off, but
the monitor has not been physically switched off by the user. The circuitry
is still active, and the monitor is drawing 3 to 7 watts. Newer
Windows-based operating systems offer the configurations that determine how
much time elapses before the monitor gradually powers down.

If your monitor lacks the power-down features outlined above, the easiest
way to prolong its life is to turn it off each day. Monitors are subject to
thermal stress, but the life span of a monitor is inversely related to the
amount of time it is on. The longer it's on, the shorter its life span.
Young Bae, product manager for CTX International, says monitors are far less
sensitive to the power spike than PCs, and the secret to monitor longevity
is turning it off daily. You should also turn your monitor off or put it in
sleep mode because phosphor, the chemical lining in the tube in your
monitor, has a limited life. When the screen is on, the phosphor glows to
produce the on-screen image. Years ago a static image on the screen would
bum itself permanently into the phosphor, producing persistent "ghost"
images. Monitor makers warned us to keep the images moving on the screen or
shut off the monitor. Although burn-in technically is still possible, Koch
laughingly says that the image would have to be on your screen for about 12
years before burning in! Monitors have a finite amount of phosphor, however,
and as the monitor ages, the phosphor grows dimmer and dimmer. You will
enhance the life of the phosphor significantly by putting the monitor in
sleep mode, using a darkened screen saver, or turning the monitor off when
it is not in use.

Which Comes First?

If you turn off your PC, monitor, and other hardware such as printers and
scanners every day, several monitor manufacturers suggest turning on the
monitor first when you restart everything. Bae explains that the PC's
operating system will query the monitor about its identity, and it's
possible that the operating system won't interface properly with the monitor
if it can't find it during the initial search. That is a rare problem, but
you can avoid the possibility by turning on your monitor first. Koch says
one Sony system specifically requires that the computer be turned on first,
but with most systems, you may turn on the monitor first.
Many users want to power up and power down their PCs and related hardware
with a single switch. Manufacturers and technicians we interviewed agreed
that shutting off the entire configuration at the power strip isn't a
problem as long as you follow the shutdown procedure for your operating
system.

Operating System.

That software step is a critical one for any system shutdown. Failing to
shut down the operating system can damage files and produce a long delay
when you turn on your PC again. The wait will be similar to the delay
experienced when you restart the PC after an abrupt loss of power, which is
essentially what your operating system suffers when shut down improperly. To
do things right, click the Start button in Windows 95 and choose Shut Down.
In Windows 3.1, choose Exit Windows from Program Manager's File menu.

Even if you regularly put your computer to sleep or leave it on, Drenning
advises shutting down and restarting the operating system regularly. The
longer you go without rebooting (restarting), the more likely a crash
becomes. Your PC regularly creates temporary files while running. These
files are normally discarded when you shut down the operating system, but if
you never reboot, the temporary files get huge, and the entire system will
run sluggishly. Drenning advises performing a warm reboot once a day, and,
at minimum, once every three days to clear the cache (memory that stores
frequently used data) and regular memory. A warm reboot occurs when you push
the Reset button on the PC's case or restart the operating system without
shutting off the PC. A cold reboot involves physically turning off the PC.

Another kind of software shutdown is important for PCs connected to a
network. Network users probably log out at the end of each day, if not turn
off the system entirely. Dr. Mark Misic, director of information systems &
communication services for the College of Business at Northern Illinois
University, says server software (which runs a network) cannot be upgraded
when individual users are online and using it. Just think of the problems
that could arise if you tried upgrading software on your PC while using the
application.

Individuals who leave applications open during a network hardware change
cause problems for the server itself. Before a network hardware change, a
complete backup of everything on the server is necessary. If individual
users have files open at the time of the backup, it's possible that the
server won't read or back up the open file, or the server may simply hang up
at that point. The choices for network users are obviously more restrictive
than those for users of single PCs. On your desk, the only real shut down
requirement is to regularly restart the operating system to avoid crashes
and sluggish performance. You have the power to make your own policy on the
other power questions.

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Response Number 12
Name: Blazer
Date: January 24, 2001 at 15:19:20 Pacific
Subject: To turn off computer or not!

Reply:
Although lengthy , Heather answering her own question is the best coverage I've seen on this issue in this forum and I will keep it for future reference. Ole'


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Response Number 20
Name: Peer
Date: March 17, 2001 at 07:36:48 Pacific
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About the memory in the monitor. My monitor is set up through a powerbar which has each of the plugs individually switched so I turn the monitor off there which in effect is like unpluging it. It keeps all the screen size and position settings. 3-8 Watts is extremly high for a task such as this. Strangly when I messure the current of the monitor when turned off (on the monitor's switch) it returns a value of 0. Also check other devices that hold some sort of memory such as a VCR, it uses little power when shut off.

About the order of turning things on. Most of the time I have the computer in one switch that turns them on at the same time.

If I switch it on induvidually it depends on the monitor. A lot of recent monitors when switched on will turn on the CRT but then shut off when there is no signal, this results in excess wear on the monitor. Luckly a recent monitor of mine when initually turned on stayes on until there is a signal, then if the signal is lost it shuts off. Otherwise I may delay the monitor until after the computer. Way back when on my 386 I always turned the monitor on and let it warm up first so I could read the POST messages.

I always have a habbit of turning the monitor off if I am going to leave for a while and don't have any APM setup for it.


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Response Number 21
Name: kris
Date: March 17, 2001 at 16:43:18 Pacific
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I only turn it off for maintance, or when I will not be using it for a few days (very rare). I have a UPS so I don't worry about power type problems.


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Response Number 22
Name: Homer J Simpson
Date: March 17, 2001 at 18:14:07 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Thanks everyone for your time. it was very
interesting to read all your responces.

HJS.


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