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Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 15:23:23 Pacific
Subject: Help!? Thinkpad no cd drive no os
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ibm thinkpad 600x. Floppy drive. No os. Trying to install windows 98. I have a thinkpad cd drive. I want to remove the floppy drive and replace with cd drive so i may load windows. I found the correct cd driver. I cant figure out how to get rid of the floppy and replace with the cd drive in dos. Please Help....working on it for 20 hours now and my left eyebrow is starting to twitch. I feel like an idiot. I know i need a boot disk of sorts but thats about it.


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Response Number 1
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 15:36:55 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Format your hard drive with the /s switch, and then copy the containts of the bootdisk to the hard drive in a newly created folder.
Edit config.sys and autoexec.bat, on the hard drive, by replacing all A:\ readings with C:\folder name\

The above is, assuming cdrom driver and mscdex.exe or also available on the bootdisk.

Turn off your laptop, replace the floppy drive with your CD-ROM drive, and turn your laptop on. Not sure if you need to change anything within the BIOS, if not now should be able to access your CD-ROM drive.

Best of luck!

Greetz from The Netherlands,
The Count


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Response Number 2
Name: Smoke;y
Date: January 18, 2003 at 15:42:52 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

thanks i will try that. I may have to tell the computer to try and boot up the cd drive first. I think i can do it from the edit command in dos...to change the boot sequence..but i am unsure of the exact command.


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Response Number 3
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 15:46:45 Pacific
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"I may have to tell the computer to try and boot up the cd drive first. I think i can do it from the edit command in dos...to change the boot sequence.."
You cannot change the boot sequence from command prompt in DOS, you'll need to do that in the BIOS if supported.

Greetz,
The Count


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Response Number 4
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 16:56:46 Pacific
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Edit config.sys and autoexec.bat, on the hard drive, by replacing all A:\ readings with C:\folder name\

how do i edit these files from dos?

You cannot change the boot sequence from command prompt in DOS, you'll need to do that in the BIOS if supported.

how do i view and edit bios from dos?

thanks!


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Response Number 5
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 17:20:12 Pacific
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"how do i edit these files from dos?"
Assuming you created the new folder as mentioned earlier, see if there is a file called edit.com in there.
At the DOS prompt type:
dir C:\foldername\edit.com[Enter]key
If the file is showed, type in:
cd\foldername[Enter]key
edit C:\config.sys[Enter]key

When finished altering the file, press and hold down the [Alt]key and hit the [F]key, let go of the [Alt]key and choose exit with the arrow keys. Hit the [Enter]key when prompted to save the changes.

Repeat the edit line but now with autoexec.bat.
edit C:\autoexec.bat[Enter]key
Same way to save the changes and exit.

If there is no edit.com file in the folder, copy the two files to another floppy.
Get back to this computer, where you are reading this post, open Windows Explorer, go to the A: and open the files with Notepad.

"how do i view and edit bios from dos?"
You cannot, you'll have to press the [Del]key or [F1]key or any other key mentioned on startup (at the POST) to enter the BIOS.

Another way arround would be to force a keyboard error on startup.
Turn off the laptop, hold down the [Esc]key and turn the laptop on still holding down the [Esc]key. You'll get a error message, and you'll probably be prompted to press the proper key to enter the BIOS.

Greetz,
The Count


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Response Number 6
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 17:44:19 Pacific
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ok i changed all the a: references to c:\folder name in config.sys and autoexec.bat and made sure the cdrom driver and mscdex.exe is in the same folder. I rebooted and got this on the screen: I9990305 which i think means no operating system. I will try it without the cd drive...and attempt to change the bios now.
thank!!
p.s. I will send you a six pack of fine ale if i get this to work.
smokey


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Response Number 7
Name: FZWG
Date: January 18, 2003 at 18:18:26 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

As an alternative to all this, you might want to check out getting a 2.5" to 3.5" Hard drive adapter to connect the Laptop hard drive to a Desktop!
ComputerGeeks.com (http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-108)
carries it, or you might find it locally at a PC shop. The adapter is inexpensive, easy to use, and can sure spare a lot of hassle.


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Response Number 8
Name: AGray
Date: January 18, 2003 at 18:24:49 Pacific
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Another approach to install Windows on a Laptop with a choice of either a floppy drive or CD-ROM drive, but not both at the same time follows.

Format the hard drive and get the laptop to boot from there, then install whatever needed on the hard drive to use the CD-ROM drive:

l. On a desktop pc make a "Format disk" containing: fdisk.exe, format.com, and command.com. Use this to boot the laptop, run "fdisk," then "format c:/s." (Found that not every version of format will supports the /s switch). Then boot the laptop from its own hard drive.

2. To the "format disk" add the following:
himem.sys
mscdex.exe
oakcdrom.sys
vide-cdd.sys
edit.com (to make changes to autoexec.bat and config.sys and get them to work)
Add a simple autoexec.bat file with the following:
MSCDEX/D:MSCD001
Add a config.sys file with:
DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS (probably not needed)
DEVICE=C:OAKCDROM.SYS/D:MSCD001 (Some CD-ROM drives may need different drivers)

3. Copy these files into the root directory of the laptop. Power down, remove the floppy drive, and install the CD-ROM drive. On power up the CD-ROM drive will be recognized as drive D: if all of the above is done correctly.

Then, insert Windows CD in drive D, and from the C: prompt type "Setup."



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Response Number 9
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 19:04:12 Pacific
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Smokey,

Have you changed the files using edit.com or did you copy them onto floppy and edited them with notepad on a other pc?

Greetz,
The Count


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Response Number 10
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 19:08:21 Pacific
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thanks for the advice. I still can't get the computer to boot on its own. i have figured out that ibmtpcd.sys is the driver i need in my autoexec.bat

i will keep on trying.


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Response Number 11
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 19:11:33 Pacific
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Have you changed the files using edit.com or did you copy them onto floppy and edited them with notepad on a other pc?

i changed them by typing edit autoexec.bat at the prompt.


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Response Number 12
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 19:19:07 Pacific
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"...i have figured out that ibmtpcd.sys is the driver i need..."
As far as I know this one goes in the Config.sys, simular to the way described above by AGray.
The Autoexec.bat file, needs the line with MSCDEX.EXE /D:......

Config.sys would have a entry like this:
device=c:\foldername\ibmtpcd.sys /D:MSCD0001

Autoexec.bat would have a entry like this:
C:\foldername\mscdex.exe /D:MSCD0001

The Count


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Response Number 13
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 19:45:06 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

still booting to I9990305. So what exactly is the command you enter in autoexec.bat to tell the computer where to look for the boot files? Is it command.com?

thankS!!


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Response Number 14
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 20:12:17 Pacific
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Lets go through this step by step.

1) Boot with the boot disk in the floppy drive.

2) Format the hard drive with the /s parameter. At the DOS prompt type in:
format c: /s[Enter]key

3) Make a folder/directory on the newly formatted hard drive. At the DOS prompt type in:
md C:\Smokey[Enter]key

4) Copy the containts of the boot disk to the newly created folder/directory. At the DOS prompt type in:
copy a:\*.* c:\Smokey[Enter]key

5) Copy config.sys and autoexec.bat from the newly created folder/directory to the root of your C:. At the DOS prompt type in:
copy c:\Smokey\config.sys c:\[Enter]key
copy c:\Smokey\autoexec.bat c:\[Enter]key

6) Go to the newly created folder/directory. At the DOS prompt type in:
C:[Enter]key
cd\Smokey[Enter]key
6a) Change all A: references to C:\Smokey\ as instructed earlier.
edit c:\config.sys[Enter]key
edit c:\autoexec.bat[Enter]key

7) Remove the boot disk, and reboot your laptop.

Typing the above I realized I missed step 5 earlier. Sorry!

The bold part is what to type at the DOS prompt.

What are the results?

The Count


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Response Number 15
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 20:21:58 Pacific
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ok i will start over and follow your directions.
I have to grab another beer first..okay.
I will post the results.

p.s. the other person you were helping lives like one hour from me with almost the same problem.

smokey


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Response Number 16
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 20:27:02 Pacific
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To whom are you refering?

Cheers!

The Count


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Response Number 17
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 20:33:53 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

the wheres my cdrom thread.


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Response Number 18
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 20:50:18 Pacific
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So, you were watching that one too?

Got her up and running, let's hope I can do the same for you.

The Count


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Response Number 19
Name: Echo
Date: January 18, 2003 at 20:55:49 Pacific
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Hi Count!

Your first name wouldn't happen to be Tony, would it? (like TK?)


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Response Number 20
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 21:04:10 Pacific
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Hi Echo,

Nope, why is that?

Greetz from The Netherlands,
The Count


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Response Number 21
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 21:09:26 Pacific
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same result.
I get the error message I9990305.
I think my problem may be here.

"6a) Change all A: references to C:\Smokey\ as instructed earlier."

There is only one reference to drive a...for example here are a few lines in autoexec.bat
call setramd.bat %LglDrv%
set temp=c:\
copy command.com %RAMD%:\command.com
copy extract.exe %RAMD%:\ NUL
copy readme.txt %RAMD%:\ NUL:EXT
%RAMD%:\extract /y /e /l %RAMD%: ebd.cab > NUL
LH %ramd%:\MSDEX>EXE /D:mscd001 /L:%CDROM%
echo
set CDROM=

Do I need all this stuff?


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Response Number 22
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 21:18:51 Pacific
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I don't see any problem in that part.

Yes, you do need all that stuff for now.
The edb.cab contains some files which can be used during the setup, if I recall right.

What are the readings of the config.sys?

The Count


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Response Number 23
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 21:37:28 Pacific
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menuitem+cd
menuitem=nocd

device=c:\smokey\himem.sys /testmem:off
device=c:\smokey\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\smokey\btdosm.sys
device=c:\smokey\flashpt.sys
device=c:\smokey\ibmtpcd.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\smokey\aspi2dos.sys
device=c:\smokey\aspi8dos.sys
device=c:\smokey\aspi4dos.sys
device=c:\smokey\aspi8u2.sys
device=c:\smokey\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\smokey\himem.sys /testmem:off
dos=high,umb
stacks=9,256
devicehigh=ramdrive.sys /E 2048
lastdrive=z


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Response Number 24
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 21:51:26 Pacific
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This looks fine to me too.

Now this is going to be a little bit harder, I want you to track down the point where you get the error message.

Reboot your laptop and hold down the [Ctrl]key. Choose the step by step confirmation and hit the [Enter]key on every question you get. Also choose startup with CD-ROM support. Which ever comes first, doesn't realy matter as long as you are getting to load every single line of your config.sys and autoexec.bat by pressing the [Enter]key.

When the error message appears, right down the line that caused the error message.
And post that back, including if it was in the config.sys or autoexec.bat

The Count


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Response Number 25
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 22:13:03 Pacific
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after this line:
LH D:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001 /L:E

it says "Device driver not found: 'MSCD001'
No valid CDROM device drivers selected.

if i dont have the floppy in i get a 301 error and it won't boot.


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Response Number 26
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 22:26:35 Pacific
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First lets check something else, at the DOS prompt type in:
fdisk /status[Enter]key
dir c:[Enter]key

If the last comes back with:
xx files and a folder/directory Smokey, than I would like you to edit the config.sys file in the root of c: once more.

At the DOS prompt type in:
C:[Enter]key
cd\Smokey[Enter]key
edit c:\config.sys[Enter]key

Now cut and paste the line:
device=c:\smokey\ibmtpcd.sys /D:mscd001
to be the fourth line from above.

Save the changes and try response #24 once more.

Let me know what the readings are for the fdisk /status and dir c: commands, before proceding with the above.

The Count


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Response Number 27
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 22:55:06 Pacific
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The result for fdisk/status:

Fixed Disk Drive Status
Disk DRV Mbytes Free Usage
1 11502 2045 82%
c: 9457

dir c:
volume in drive c has no label
volume serial number is 161d-07f9
directory of c:\

autoexec bat 1,100
command com 93,880
config sys 749
smokey
3 files 95,729
1 dir 9,446.50 MB free


Shall I proceed?


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Response Number 28
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 23:05:54 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

I'm geting the same result because it's checking all the stuff on the floppy instead of the hard drive...I never changed anything on the floppy yet?!


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Response Number 29
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 23:11:42 Pacific
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By the looks of it, you have two partitions?!
I'm not to comfertable right now on how to handle that.

Does the other partition contain any relevant stuff for the thinkpad? I don't know.
Is the primary partition (C) active? I don't know.

You could proceed with edit config.sys as instructed above, but I'm not sure if you will be able to boot from your hard drive at this stage.

This thread Can't reinstall Win95 response #22 has some real good readings on the fdisk and format command.
Maybe you should read that first, and I'll get back to you in couple of hours.

I could realy use some sleep now.

The Count


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Response Number 30
Name: The Count
Date: January 18, 2003 at 23:15:25 Pacific
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You could try it by changing it on the floppy, and see how that goes.

I'll wait for your response, on my previous response.

The Count


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Response Number 31
Name: Smokey
Date: January 18, 2003 at 23:26:32 Pacific
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ok...i will try to change the floppy.
thanks for you help.
i appreciate it!

pleasant dreams

smokey


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Response Number 32
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 00:24:33 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

well the computer won for today......i will try again tomorrow. One clue might be that i can't install the cd driver on my c drive..it says i only can do it in a dos environment. Do I have to so something special with fdisk?


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Response Number 33
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 06:42:39 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Smokey,

I'm back!
Have been doing some research on the IBM site, and found that we could be addressing your problem the wrong way around. :-(

Does the other partition contain any relevant stuff for the thinkpad? I don't know.
I now think it does. I think it contains all the stuff required by the Recovery CD.

Is the primary partition (C) active? I don't know.
I'm still not sure about that one.
Could well be it's set active when using the Recovery CD.

It's my understanding that you can just replace the floppy drive with the CD-ROM drive, place the Recovery CD in the drive and boot up the laptop. (see the above link, Recovery CD)

These are the links I went through:
1) ThinkPad 600X support
2) TP 600X - (2645) Product information
3) TP 600X - Product Overview
4) TP 600X - Installing Software for Windows 98 (2645-5Fx, 2645-8Px, 2645-9Fx only)

And last but not least, the drivers:
5) TP 600 - Software and Device Drivers

Do yourself a favour, and don't mess around with the BIOS update files.
Download and install only the drivers you do need.

I'll check on you later on today, to see how you're progressing. So if you don't mind keeping me posted....

Greetz,
The Count (January 19th, 15:42 hours)


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Response Number 34
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 10:24:56 Pacific
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the hard drive is completely blank. Shouldn't i be able to boot it up without the floppy by typing sys c: after i type format c: /s. My two drives are swapable but its not recognizing the cd rom. I cant extract this driver
http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/RMIE-38CEKN.html
because it says it can't write on the c drive. I will try to set up the fdisk at simply as possible.


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Response Number 35
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 11:06:50 Pacific
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When you type format c: /s, there is no need to use the sys c: command anymore. Because it does the same as /s, it copy's the system files (msdos.sys, io.sys, command.com and maybe one or two more which I don't recall) after the format to the hard drive.
The sys c: command only copy's the mentioned files to the hard drive.

Have you gone through my latest links?
Do you or do you not have the Recovery CD?
If you have the Recovery CD did or did you not try to boot the laptop with the CD in the drive? (ignoring the boot disk)
Have you tried booting the laptop with the Windows 98 CD in the drive? (ignoring the boot disk)

I'll get back to you soon about the fdisk issue.

Greetz,
The Count


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Response Number 36
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 11:26:01 Pacific
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Yes I have gone through the links.
I have a recovery cd. I still have the same problem. It just says missing operating system. The only way i can get to a dos prompt is with the boot disk. Even though i copied the boot disk to the hard drive it wont boot without the boot disk..it says missing operating system. Even when i change the bios to boot the hard drive and/or the cdrom first it still says missing operating system.

Smokey


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Response Number 37
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 11:59:25 Pacific
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So you can get into the BIOS, what if you set the boot sequence to CDROM, C and then place the Window 98 CD into the drive?
Still nothing?

About the fdisk issue;
Boot your laptop with the boot disk, at the DOS prompt type in:
fdisk[Enter]key
The screen should show something like this:

FDISK Options (Centered)
Current fixed disk drive: 1

Choose one of the following:

1. Create DOS Partition or Logical DOS Drive
2. Set active partition
3. Delete DOS Partition of Logical DOS Drive
4. Display partition information

Enter choice: [1]

Press Esc to exit FDISK

Now I would like you to choose 4, and post back the type, status and system of the partitions you see.

The Count


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Response Number 38
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 12:35:14 Pacific
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So you can get into the BIOS, what if you set the boot sequence to CDROM, C and then place the Window 98 CD into the drive?
Still nothing?

yes..it just says missing operating system.


Partition status type mbytes system usage
c: 1 A PRI DOS 2045 UNKNOWN 18%
2 EXT DOS 9457 82%

Total disk space is 11502 Mbytes

Display Logical DOS drive information

D: 9457 FAT32 100%

Total extended dos partition size is 9457

Smokey


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Response Number 39
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 13:07:26 Pacific
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I'm sorry to inform you but I don't like the readings.

The readings tell me, that you have two partitions. In other words you have a C: drive and a D: drive, both on the hard drive.

That also sort of explains why you keep getting that message of the "missing operating system", the C: partition is of a unknown format although you have been formatting it with or without the /s.

The C: drive should be reading;

dir c:
volume in drive c has no label
volume serial number is 161d-07f9
directory of c:\

autoexec bat 1,100
command com 93,880
config sys 749
smokey
3 files 95,729
1 dir 2,044.50 MB free

and not like in your Response #27, that realy puzzels me, besides that it should read;
Partition status type mbytes system usage
c: 1 A PRI DOS 2045 FAT32 18%
or
c: 1 A PRI DOS 2045 FAT16 18%
instead of
c: 1 A PRI DOS 2045 UNKNOWN 18%

I'm not sure if it's going to do you any harm, if both partitions are deleted and one huge Primary partition would be created.

When you type a dir d:, like in response #26, does it show anything?

I'm stumbled.... in the meanwhile I'm going to check the IBM pages a bit more.

The Count


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Response Number 40
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 13:39:27 Pacific
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im starting to think i need a different boot disk...or a different version of fdisk...
now it say drive c is invalid media type.

my right eyebrow is starting to twitch.

Smokey


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Response Number 41
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 13:52:23 Pacific
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"im starting to think i need a different boot disk...or a different version of fdisk..."
What makes you think that, I don't think so.

Minutes ago I was just wonderring if you had a other version of Windows installed previously or even a other OS like Linux.
That would explain the UNKNOWN partition type.

"now it say drive c is invalid media type"
Have you been doing anything else besides what I suggested with fdisk?
For the hack of it, run a plain format c:[Enter]key and afterwards a dir c:[Enter]key and a dir d:[Enter]key.

"my right eyebrow is starting to twitch"
Yesterday it was the left one, what's going to be tommorow? :-)

The Count


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Response Number 42
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 14:24:08 Pacific
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"im starting to think i need a different boot disk...or a different version of fdisk..."
What makes you think that, I don't think so.

because i cant' seem to make just one drive tht is fat 16.

Minutes ago I was just wonderring if you had a other version of Windows installed previously or even a other OS like Linux.
That would explain the UNKNOWN partition type.

I won the computer on ebay and it came with instructions on how to transfer my windows 98 disk to the hard drive but it came with a floppy drive..i had to buy the cd drive. There wasn't anything loaded except dos..come to think of it..it did load the first time without a floppy but those files got erased when i fooled with fdisk.

Ok now i erased all the partitions and here is what it says:

Display partition information

1
No partitions defined

should i reboot and format c again?

"my right eyebrow is starting to twitch"
Yesterday it was the left one, what's going to be tommorow? :-)

hopefully it will be figured out by tomorrow otherwise i may have to check in to the nearest hospital.....my washing machine and coffee maker broke today too.

Smokey



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Response Number 43
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 14:47:30 Pacific
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"...those files got erased when i fooled with fdisk."
That's to bad!

Oh well, proceed with this one first to create a primary partition, Response #15.

Then format c: /s[Enter]key
Reboot your laptop without the boot disk, to see if it boots on it's own.

If so all the way back up to Response #14 (this thread), skip step 2 and in addition to step 7, before rebooting turn the laptop off replace the floppy drive with the CD-ROM drive and then reboot the laptop.

N.B. Remember to put the line device=c:\smokey\ibmtpcd.sys /D:mscd001
to be the fourth line from above in the config.sys file.

"...my washing machine and coffee maker broke today too..."
Not much luck this weekend he?

I sincerely hope we get this thing up and running soon, as I'm beginning to run out of time for tonight. (Have to goto work, in the morning)

The Count


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Response Number 44
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 15:22:28 Pacific
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Oh well, proceed with this one first to create a primary partition, Response #15.

Then format c: /s[Enter]key
Reboot your laptop without the boot disk, to see if it boots on it's own.

I got this far and it is booting on its own!!!!!! i will try doing the rest now.



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Response Number 45
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 15:27:12 Pacific
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Thanks for keeping me informed.

Maybe, luck is turning onto you now.

I'll keep my fingers crossed!

The Count


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Response Number 46
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:03:51 Pacific
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ok now i can boot with the cd drive in finally. Also I was finally able to install my cd driver on the hard drive! It created a directory called CDROM. I get to where it says start computer with or without cdrom support. I am doing the step by step thing you showed me last night. It says IBM IDE CD-ROM driver version 3.11 installed successfully. Then it says:

The following file is missing or corrupted : HIMEM.SYS There is an error in your CONFIG.SYS file on line 11 DEVICE=OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001

it gives the same error for
Device=btdosm.sys,device=flashpt.sys,btcdrom.sys,device=aspI2dos etc
(lines 11 to 20) and then line 33 lastdrive=z

Then it says Warning: the high memory area (HMA) is not available. Additional low memory will be used instead.

path not found - :\command.com
file not found - extract.exe
file not found - readme.txt
please insert windows 98 startup disk 2

then it keeps asking for it. I can get into safe mode by click f5 though.

I think im getting close!!


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Response Number 47
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:14:45 Pacific
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although now the edit command doesn't work anymore!


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Response Number 48
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:18:08 Pacific
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Are the readings, in your C:\Autoexec.bat and C:\Config.sys still the same as last night? (Response #21 and #23)

Have you re-created the folder C:\Smokey, can you tell me the containts? At the DOS prompt type in:
dir C:\Smokey[Enter]key
and
dir C:\Cdrom[Enter]key

The Count


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Response Number 49
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:29:10 Pacific
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Are the readings, in your C:\Autoexec.bat and C:\Config.sys still the same as last night? (Response #21 and #23)

yes because i saved them to my boot disk last night.


Here is my c drive directory

command com
smokey
config s00
autoexic b00
cdrom
config sys
autoexec bat

how did the new config and autoexec get there?
should i erase the old ones?


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Response Number 50
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:36:36 Pacific
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i erased config sys
autoexec bat and it boots up to the c prompt but doesn't ask me if i want cd support. I guess im just going to have to work on the two files at this point and to make sure they have the correct paths


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Response Number 51
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:43:19 Pacific
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Probably when you installed your CD-ROM driver (Response #46) is the time when the config.sys and autoexec.bat are created.
And the existing ones copied as a backup.

Just to be sure that they are the same, at the DOS prompt type in:
cd\Smokey[Enter]key
edit C:\config.sys[Enter]key
repeat the last line for the config.s00 file and for both the Autoexec.b files.

If they are exactly the same you could delete the backup files, but it's not necessary for the moment.

The Count


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Response Number 52
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:51:16 Pacific
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Try this to save some time, not sure it's going to work but it's worth trying.

C:[Enter]key
ren Config.s00 Config.sys[Enter]key
ren Autoexec.b00 Autoexec.bat[Enter]key
or
copy Config.s00 Config.sys[Enter]key
copy Autoexec.b00 Autoexec.bat[Enter]key

The Count


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Response Number 53
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:52:29 Pacific
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edit command is not working. I will have to edit from a different computer and then copy them in. I bet may have to erase those lines pertaining to generic cd drivers. I also changed bios to boot cd first but it did not change anything.

Smokey


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Response Number 54
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 16:59:57 Pacific
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While you are at a different computer, if it's also Windows 98, copy the Himem.sys file to the floppy disk to replace the one in the Smokey folder/directory.

At the DOS prompt,
dir C:\Smokey[Enter]key
dir C:\CDROM[Enter]key

What are the readings? Just file names will do.
(I'm not interrested in the readings of C: at this point.)

The Count


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Response Number 55
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 17:14:51 Pacific
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dir C:\Smokey[Enter]key
these are all the files from the boot disk.

autoexec bat
config sys
setramd bat
readme txt
findramd exe
ramdrive sys
aspi4dos sys
btcdrom sys
aspicd sys
btdosm sys
aspi2dos sys
aspi8dos sys
aspi8u2 sys
flashpt sys
extract exe
fdisk exe
drvspace bin
command com
himem sys
oakcdrom sys
ebd cab
and a few files on top i cant see

dir C:\CDROM[Enter]key

.
..
ibmtpcd sys
ibmtpcd idp
mscdex exe


wonder why i cant use the edit command anymore?

Smokey



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Response Number 56
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 17:22:22 Pacific
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wonder why i cant use the edit command anymore?
Because it's not listed in the Smokey folder.
Copy edit.com from the other computer if it's also Windows 98 to the floppy disk and then get back to the laptop and type in:
copy a:\edit.com c:\smokey[Enter]key.

Please do the same for the file Emm386.exe.
copy a:\emm386.exe c:\smokey[Enter]key.

In the meanwhile a type out a properly working config.sys and autoexec.bat for you to get going with.

The Count



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Response Number 57
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 17:43:50 Pacific
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First copy the readings under the blue title to the appropiate Config.sys and Autoexec.bat on the floppy disk.

Second copy the original (on the laptop) Config.sys and Autexec.bat to Config.org and Autoexec.org
copy C:\Config.sys Config.org[Enter]key
copy C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.org[Enter]key

Third copy the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat from floppy to the root folder on the laptop.
copy A:\config.sys C:\config.sys[Enter]key, replace/overwrite? [Y]key
copy A:\autoexec.bat C:\autoexec.bat[Enter]key, replace/overwrite? [Y]key
md C:\Temp[Enter]key, this is for temporarily files to be stored in one single place.

Switch floppy drive and CD-ROM drive, reboot the laptop, your CD-ROM drive should be accessible as E: drive

Config.sys
device=c:\Smokey\himem.sys
device=c:\Smokey\emm386.exe noems
dos=high,umb
files=40
buffers=20
devicehigh=c:\cdrom\ibmtpcd.sys /D:mscd001
lastdrive=Z

Autoexec.bat
@Echo off
prompt $p$g
path=C:\;C:\CDROM;C:\Smokey;
LH C:\CDROM\MSDEX.EXE /D:mscd001 /L:E
set temp=C:\Temp
set tmp=C:\Temp

BTW the dir command can be used with several parameters /W is one of them, this allows you to see more files at a time. Should have mentioned earlier. Sorry!

The Count


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Response Number 58
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 17:46:12 Pacific
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ok...trying it now

Smokey


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Response Number 59
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 17:52:55 Pacific
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What's under the blue title is the only thing that should reside in it's own file.

You should be fine!

The Count


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Response Number 60
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:03:40 Pacific
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ok...i got the windows98 screen....the blue bar on the bottom is moving....still waiting....


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Response Number 61
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:10:51 Pacific
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the windows 98 screen loads up and the blue bare moves on the bottom but nothing happens...is there a way to boot to safe mode?


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Response Number 62
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:16:45 Pacific
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What did you do? Only reboot with the new settings? Or did start the setup?

If you only booted with the new settings, hit the [Esc]key to see what's happening.
You could reboot and do the step by step confirmation procedure to see if it all goes well.

If you started the setup from your CD-ROM, just sit back.

The Count


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Response Number 63
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:21:43 Pacific
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it goes to the graphic of windows 98 with the logo and just stays there...if i hit escape it says "your program caused a divide overflow error. If the problem persists, contact your program vendor." I cant get to a prompt yet.

Smokey


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Response Number 64
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:24:26 Pacific
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Reboot and do the step by step confirmation procedure to see if it all goes well.

The Count


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Response Number 65
Name: Smokey
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:30:29 Pacific
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i cant get there anymore...i think i will wrap it up for tonight and try in the morning....Thank you very much for your help...i think we are close!

good night.

Smokey


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Response Number 66
Name: The Count
Date: January 19, 2003 at 18:41:13 Pacific
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Fine with me, I'm going to bed.
Get a few hours of sleep, and then of to work. I'll check on you later.

Good night!

The Count (January 20th, 03:41 hours)


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Response Number 67
Name: Smokey
Date: January 20, 2003 at 10:16:34 Pacific
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got rid of this line and it booted to the c prompt.

device=c:\Smokey\emm386.exe noems


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Response Number 68
Name: The Count
Date: January 20, 2003 at 12:32:23 Pacific
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