Format without floppy

fujitsu liteline
March 30, 2006 at 10:13:29
Specs: 98, 32mb
I have an old fujitsu liteline laptop running windows 98.
I would like to format it, however the floppy drive is not working
and as I have been quoted £230 for a new one, I think I'll give that a miss.
I have a genuine windows 98 CD.
I have been told I can restart the computer with this CD.
I have been told I cannot restart the computer with this CD.
Can I or Can't I. any help would be appreciated.

Roger


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#1
March 30, 2006 at 11:00:33
Microsoft Win98 First Edition Installation CDs are not bootable. At least I have never seen one. But you can try it to see.

If you have a Fujitsu Recovery CD, I don't know.

If you don't have the Fujitsu recovery software and are planning to install from the MS Win98 CD. You will need a floppy drive or will have to use some trickery to install.



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#2
March 30, 2006 at 11:14:42
hi ham30,
the computer is still working, slow, but working. I don't want to lose it.
I dont have a recovery disc.
If I can't format it, Ill just have to soldier on with it.
thanks

Roger


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#3
March 30, 2006 at 13:16:17
More memory would probably help a lot.

Another way would be to get rid of any unnecesary applications running in the background all the time. Some programs seem to think they are so valuable that they install them selves to start when windows boots. You can go to Start/Run type in msconfig (click OK) and look at the Startup tab. there you can deselect anything that you don't need running all the time. Anything in there can be deselected without damaging your system. But there are a few that you do want running, like antivirus, Firewall, the Registry saver. But there are probably some that you can start up only when needed.

If you run into some that you don't recognize, you might find some help here:

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

http://www2.whidbey.com/djdenham/Uncheck.htm

Also Malware is a common cause of slowing down. You might checkout the Security and Virus forum.


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#4
March 30, 2006 at 13:21:37
By the way Storm99, if you are one of the many people who think formatting is reinstalling, that is not correct.
Formatting erases all data on the hard drive. It is sometimes done before a reinstall.



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#5
March 30, 2006 at 14:56:01
That's one hell of a price for a floppy drive, even if it includes installing it into a laptop (which could be tricky). Have you shopped around?

DerekW


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#6
March 30, 2006 at 15:50:40
If you have a USB port you can get external USB connected floppy drives for as little as $40 or so, whatever that is in pounds.

If your Win 98 (first edition) CD is OEM (which is always a full version), or a full retail version, it is bootable. Just set your bios to boot from the CD drive. You can Fdisk and Format the drive in the first part of Setup if you like.

If it is a retail Upgrade version, it is probably not bootable. There are ways to get around that, but you need a floppy drive, or a possibly custom made slipstreamed CD.

If you want to try repairing Windows, just run Setup from the CD, and install Windows in the SAME directory Windows was in previously - by default that's C:\Windows. That is called running Setup "overtop" - it will not delete anything on the drive you have added to it, but it will repair things Windows knows how to repair, and replace files that are missing or Windows found to be corrupted - but sometimes that isn't enough, and the files that are giving you problems may have been installed by other programs.
When you do run Setup, always load the drivers for your mboard, especially the chipset drivers, after Setup is finished.


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#7
March 30, 2006 at 16:02:21
"or a full retail version, it is bootable"

NOT

I have several copies of Winhozed98, and THE ONLY TYPE that I've found to be bootable is the so called "OEM" type, which says on the front "to be supplied only with a new PC" or something similar.

The '98 RETAIL "full" version says on the front "for PC's without Windows." I've not found ANY of those that are bootable, and I've looked at a considerable number.

If your laptop IS capable of booting from a CDROM, some laptops, especially older ones, seem to be fussy about "burned" CD's as opposed to "factory" CD's

You might want to do some research on you laptop, for example, many of the floppy's for the IBM THinkpads will interchange. I was able to swap a floppy out of an old 360 series into my (then) much newer 380XD, which failed.


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#8
March 30, 2006 at 16:26:25
wow....seems like there is always tons of dissention on computing.net lately. I really don't understand that. I like to think of computing.net as a great place to get problems sorted out rather than a battle zone which it has become lately. All advice given is free and it's great that some techs and wannabe techs offer their services to a stranger, no matter what their skill level is. I've found lots of solutions for various problems and I'm thankful for the help.

Hopefully my advice will help you...Please post back with your results....thanks


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#9
March 30, 2006 at 16:36:38
Can't see much of a battle on this thread. It's always worth getting the facts ironed out - that's one of the functions of a forum.

DerekW


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#10
March 30, 2006 at 18:08:11
"The '98 RETAIL "full" version says on the front "for PC's without Windows." I've not found ANY of those that are bootable, and I've looked at a considerable number."

Oops. I thought I had remembered trying one and it did boot - apparently not.
I have only an OEM 98 and an OEM 98SE at the present time. I have a couple Win 95 Upgrade - it doesn't boot.

"...."OEM" type, which says on the front "to be supplied only with a new PC" or something similar."

What it says is
"For distribution with a new PC only....."
And in small print ".....Microsoft products are licensed to OEM's.....


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#11
March 30, 2006 at 20:21:09
Ok, well, I was close.(on what the cd said.) I didn't feel like extricating myself from the belly turret of my WWII surplus B-17, staggering unsteady like up through the fuselage, and getting the radio operator, who was in a VERY bad mood trying to copy some Morse through incredible static and thunderstorm noise, to get him to look on our copy of Winhoed98 just to get the "quote" correct.

By the way, uploading stuff to a B-17 is VERY difficult. Downloading, not so much.


Also, to my knowledge, there are no versions of '95 that boot, other than some proprietary restore cd's


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#12
March 31, 2006 at 00:08:35
Hi guys,
thanks for the input.
I have shopped around and could only find my local dealer who is a fujitsu dealer. That price £230 was just for the floppy not fitting it.
I do want to clear my hard drive, over the years I have had different programs, and when unistalled they all seem to have left something in my computer. The latest being a isp that has left its icons, all over the place.

I have a usb port but again I have been told, You cannot reboot from an external drive.

On the front of the CD, it says.
Microsoft windows 98
For distribution with a new PC only.
I got it with the PC when new.

Ok guys decision time, do I try to reboot from my CD or not.
At the moment I can use the PC, if it dosn't work then I'm stuffed,
as I'm not all that good with the technical side.

Roger


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#13
March 31, 2006 at 01:39:27
Why don't you just try first that would have been the best thing to do in the begining if it works huray, if not then wait till you can get a floppy drive either external or internal (look around at carboots and small computer shops not main stream dealers as they just want your money) then reinstall.

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#14
March 31, 2006 at 07:00:40
The CD you have should boot, and will have the format command available. When a bootable CD starts up, the bootable sector emulates a floppy drive, so it will boot to an A: prompt. format may or may not be available from that prompt/path. I will guarantee, you, however, that format is in the \Win98 directory.

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#15
March 31, 2006 at 07:45:07
"When a bootable CD starts up, the bootable sector emulates a floppy drive, so it will boot to an A: prompt. format may or may not be available from that prompt/path. "

Yes - it does emulate - it does exactly what a Win 98 Startup disk you make in Windows does, or the special Startup disk that is included with a new OEM CD does, loading support for a CD drive automatically, and extracting files from a .cab file into a ram drive. Both Fdisk and Format are already on the PATH statement - you merely type Fdisk or Format - you don't have to change to another drive letter first.
And I believe typing Setup works the same way - the CD drive letter is also on the PATH statement. If not, you need to type the drive letter of the CD drive the CD is in that the emulation assigns (stated at the end of the loading of the floppy emulation) and a colon to go there.
e.g. type e: (Enter), setup (Enter)


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#16
March 31, 2006 at 11:41:49
ok, I went for the format and got
Format Complete , then
Write protect error
Format terminated
what happened????

Roger


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#17
March 31, 2006 at 12:26:46
Did you use "format c:", or just "format"?
You must use: format c:
Did it do the normal procedure, where it took a while to format the drive, or were those all the messages you got?
If those were all the messages you got, take a look in your bios Setup - there may be a setting that enables/disables formatting the hard drive, and it is blocking the format causung the HD to be seen as protected, or some other similar drive protection setting.

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#18
March 31, 2006 at 13:04:29
hi tubesandwires
I used format C:
It took a while going through the
percentages of format,
99percent
format complete
Write protect error
Format terminated


Roger


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#19
March 31, 2006 at 13:32:10
its my bedtime, here in the uk, tubesandwires
I'll check the bios settings tomorrow,
and any other suggestions. cheers

Roger


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#20
March 31, 2006 at 15:11:16
I searched a bit. Your password protection for your hard drive must be disabled in order to format a laptop or notebook hard drive - if it is passworded in your bios Setup, remove the password.

If you don't know the password you can't format the drive.
Laptops, notebooks made in the last ten years or so store most passwords on an eeprom chip on the mboard - the only way you can get rid of the password if you don't know it is to remove the eeprom chip and replace it with a freshly programmed one, or replace the mboard with one that has no passwords or the passwords are known for. The case of passworded hard drives on laptops, notebooks made in the last ten years or so is even more difficult - the hard drive must be replaced - not even the experts can remove the password - you cannot get that info from the hard drive manufacturers. You can only remove the password, if you know it, if the hard drive is installed on a small group of that manufacturers products, so transferring the hard drive to another computer will not help.
You can wipe the drive, low-level format it (if it will even let you), and it will still be passworded.


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#21
April 1, 2006 at 00:17:27
Hi tubesandwires, I'm on overload at the moment, I'm going to give it a rest for a few days. thanks for the info

Roger


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