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Hiya Guys,
Computer froze and on restart it says file allocation table bad drive C.
I was able to boot to scandisk, which at first said it did not detect a problem then.
Then after the 4 or 5th time it decided to notice the problems. It said it fixed the table allocation now it continues to try to repair file the file system. It first went through and fixed a bunch offiles that were damages it said. But in file system it goes really slow and says it is checking for cross linking.IT gets to like 40% and seems to not go any further.I have reran scandisk about 4 times. Ihave it again at about 15% in file system now.
Is this not going to work, is it that the hardrive is just shot?
I tried to install win XP or Win 98 hopig ot fix it, but it will not accept setup prompt even thought I choose with CD support.
Any ideas?
I am gonig to go out and let it try to run through scandisk completely.
BUt if that doesn't work any clue what I should try next?
Thanks a Bunch.
Take Care
Dee

Generally, a corrupted FAT will result in a useless disk. It will convert a lot of files to Filennnn.CHK which can be anything. Cross-linked files mean that two directory pointers point to the head of the same FAT entry. This can't be since the files must be different (disk name/location, etc.). When you're done, you're most likely in for a complete re-install. It MAY be possible (although risky) to attempt to recover some of your vaulable information, but I wouldn't try to take that to the bank.
Don

Scandisk will fix a lot of minor problems with the fat table. There are two copies of the fat so one can be corrupted and scandisk can generally fix the problem.
Make sure you run a full scan including checking sectors.
Possibly the seeming freeze of the scan at 40% is the result of a bad sector and scandisk is trying to recover data off the sector. This can take ages. Be patient, run a full scandisk overnight if you like. It may take many hours.If scandisk reports bad sectors you should perhaps think about a new drive. Apparently bad sectors can sometimes be incorrectly reported. There are ways to reset the bad sectors so you can retest them but I cant remember how. If a second test also reported bad sectors, personally, I would replace the drive and recover data off it onto a new drive. I do not trust drives that have reported bad sectors. I think it is a sign of imminent failure.
From your post, I am not really certain of the state of your drive and whether you can boot to windows so I am hesitant to recommend a reformat, but if I had backups of my data I would consider it.

Make sure the HD is properly identified in cmos. Was the HD originally partitioned in the computer you're using it in?

I have let scandisk go through its entire stage.
At the end it says it made changes and scandisk needs to be run again.
When it gets to file structure it keeps trying to fix a certain file and it won't get past it.
All the directories are there I just can't get into windows.
I have tried to go into safe mode, no go.
I am not sure how to reformat the drive.
I' won't access my windows cd, I was going to try to just reinstall windows.
I even tried Dell restore disc and can't get it to recoginze either of the C drives.
At this point I don't care what I wipe out just to try to get it running again.
Any instructions would be great.
Thanks
Take Care
Deirdre

Did you do a sector test with scandisk ?
I ask because if there are bad sectors on the disk I dont think it is worth reinstalling windows on that disk. I would recommend replacing it.Does it say that scandisk made changes and needs to be run again or that there were changes and so scandisk needs to be run again ?
If it said that there were changes and scandisk needs to be run again, this means that while scandisk was checking the drive, a change was made to the contents of the drive so scandisk must start again, it did not complete the scan. In this case you must stop whatever program is running that is making changes to the hard drive, such as a background virus scanner, and then rerun scandisk.
Do you have a bootable floppy with scandisk on it ? You could run scandisk from the floppy. This would insure that nothing was running in the background that is interferring with scandisk.
You say that you cant access either of your C drives. Only one C drive can be visable at a time. Do you have a partitioned hard drive with a C and a D drive ?

It said scandisk made the changes.
Typo there I meant ot write I can't access either of my CD drives.My hardrive is formatted only for C drive. It didn't state bad sectors on the scandisk results. It did rename alot of files though.
If I replace the hardrive is there a chance if Islave this drive off of it that I can access the files on it to copy, He didn't backup his whole drive he chose fiels to copy so if can ge at a few programs that would be great.
or if there is a way to try reformatting and a reinstall I wuold try it if you think the hard drive isn't cooked.
Thanks
Take Care
Dee

OK ...Now I can't get the PC to boot at all. It goes to start up and appears to just go to sleep, the monitor also goes to sleep.
Now what.
I just went to bootdisk.com to try and DL an new win98 bootdisk , going to try that now.
Thanks
Take Care
Dee

You may have a hardware problem.
Very difficult to say what.
Windows may be so corrupted that it wont run.
You hard drive may be knackered.
We need to try a few things and try and narrow it down.How far does it get in its startup ?
That may give a clue.If the computer boots from floppy but then goes to sleep when you try and boot from the hard drive, that could indicate a hard drive problem, or less likely an IDE channel problem, or perhaps a power supply problem (not enough power to run everything).
What is the last message you get when you try and startup and is this always the last message you get.
If it stops at the same place each time then you can deduce that the next step or the last step(if uncompleted), is the problem step. Possible it goes to sleep when it tries to read from the hard drive.If it stops in different places each time then you can deduce that the failure is not caused by part of the startup process itself, but by something failing during the startup process.
When it goes to sleep..
is the power still on?
is the hard drive light on?
do you mean by sleep that it lock up and doesn't repond and the mouse cursor doesn't move, or that the screen goes blank ?I dont think we can safely say that you have a hard drive problem just yet. Something else could be causing you pc to stop. If the pc stops during writes to the hard drive, this will likely cause problems like 'both copies of the fat are not the same', cross linked problems etc, that scandisk can fix.
Normally however, a single run of scandisk would fix these errors, however if critical windows system file were corrupted then windows might not run.When your pc goes to sleep, does it still have power ?
Does the monitor have power ?
Does the monitor get its power from the pc or is it plegged into a seperate power socket?
Or when you say goes to sleep you mean it has power but is blank ?A power supply problem could cause the problems you are experiencing. This could be either that you have too much hardware attached and dont have the power to run it, or the power supply is faulty.
The first thing I would do is boot from floppy and see if the pc locks up.
Then I would try and run scandisk one last time from floppy.
That's probably enough for now.
You could buy a new drive and run the old one as slave and try and recover files.
This will only work if the hard drive is the problem.

I shut it down completely and waited and powered up. It boots to the Dell password again now.
Onece you enter the password it goes to the Windows Splash Screen, the bottom graphic moves for a couple of seconds then halts and you hear the PC shut down.I can't boot from the floppy, it gives the non system disk or disk error replace and strike any key.
I would like to try reinstalling windows over the existing copy. I did that once withmy Compaq and it worked an d I didn't lose any files.
But I can't get it to recoginize the CD dirve. I choose with Cd support and I type in setup at the C;/ prompt and it won't do anything. Then I try to change the prompt to D; for the Cd drive and it says( I think) invalid drive parameter missing ...I have to go check it says sometihng like that but it won't switch the dirve.
IS there prompts you can give me to try to get the win 98 reinstalled without reformating or changing the harddrive? IF I can do a Dell restore i would do that too. But cant get the drive that Cd drive to work.
Any suggestions?
Thanks Take Care

If the pc wont boot off the floppy it is probably one of two things,
You are not using a boot disk, or the disk is faulty. You are not booting from the 'A' drive. Check in the bios that you are booting from the 'A' drive first.You start to confuse me from here.
You say you cant boot from a floppy but then say that you 'choose cd support'. This sounds like a boot option when booting from floppy.
What are you doing that brings up that option?If you boot from floppy a ram drive is created that will normally be assigned the letter after the last hard drive. On a single partition system this would be the 'D' drive. The cd drive is then assigned the next letter, in this case the 'E' drive.
Perhaps you are not looking in the right place for the cd drive. Check the 'E' drive.
To reinstall windows I would boot from a floppy, choose cd support, go to my cd drive, find setup.exe on the cd, then run setup.exe.
Provided your bios is setup to boot from floppy first, and you have a boot disk that has the correct drivers for your cd (most cd's will work with the drivers already supplied on a standard boot floppy.), you should have no problem running setup.exe.I have no experience with recovery disks. Possibly yours has been created as a boot disk. Then, provided your pc is capable of booting from cd, you could set your bios to boot from cd drive first and boot off the cd rom. Then do whatever it is that you need to to do a recovery.
To change to the 'D' drive under dos, type 'D:' not 'D;'.
Get the correct error message and do a google search on it. I dont get anything like your error message when I type in an incorrect drive letter under dos.

I've had similar problems on two computers. From what you say I would guess your FATs have become corrupted. Try the following:
1) Place the drive as a slave in another computer. Go to Windows Explorer and see if you can find it As D:\; E:\, etc. If you can see it, you can copy all important foldres/docs onto the other hard drive. If you can't see it, or information is corrupted (file names are numbers, etc) then you need to go to 2)or jump to 3)below.
2) Download a programme called GetDataBack. You can get the free demo version. Save it on the good hard drive. Once installed and run you should be able to detect your bad hard drive. Select it and run the utility. It will find the files on your bad drive. The demo version doesnot allow you to copy the whole content of the drive, but you can see what is there and evaluate whether you want to pay for the full version.
3) If you don't want to do step 2), then you would need to re-partition and reformat your hard drive, but YOU WILL LOOSE ALL YOU HAD ON IT. First make sure you have a good Windows 98 start up disk (if you don't, then create one on a friend's machine (go to Control Panel - Add/Remove - Start Disk. Boot your machine with the start up floppy disk in the drive, it should start booting. (if not you will have to enter the BIOS and set it to boot from A drive first). Once booting, you can choose "without CD Rom support" at this stage as its quicker. Once you get the A:\ prompt you should type Fdisk (ENTER). It will ask you if your drive is larger than 512 Mb. Type "Y". It may then tell you the drive has problems. Carry on selecting option 4 to see what partition information you have. Most likely it will tell you there is none. Escape and select option 1 - follow the instructions - I suggest you create just a single partition and the option 2 to create the DOS sector. Escape and it will tell you you will need to restart the computer. Once restarted (with floppy still in), when you get the A:\ prompt type Format C: You will be told you will loose all information. Type Y and it will then format your drive. When finished you should restart, this time selecting "With CD ROM support". Place the Windows CD in the drive. From the A:\ prompt you should be able to find your CD Rom drive (D:\ or E:\) type SETUP, and you should begin a new install of Windows on your hard drive.

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