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Name: New Guy
Date: August 28, 2004 at 14:16:47 Pacific
OS: Win98
CPU/Ram: PentiumII/128MB RAM
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O.K. I probably should ask this question in the security and virus forum, but I'll ask it here anyways. How important is it that I install a firewall on my computer? I'm not on a network and this computer uses a dialup connection to access the net. I guess the real question is: Do I need a firewall? I use antivirus software and have a utility that checks for spyware and adware. Am I secure enough? Am I taking the right precautions? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Would a firewall slow down my speed on the net? Dial up isn't exactly the fastest connection anyways. Two firewalls I've heard about are from companies like ZoneAlarms and Kerio. Are these any good?



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Name: h4x3r
Date: August 28, 2004 at 14:29:14 Pacific
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i highly recomend it even if your on dialup... its your digital condum... wouldnt go screwing around w/ out one would ya!?

and like condums there are firewalls out there that are given for free... my favorite is sygate personal filewall free for home use... www.sygate.com



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Response Number 2
Name: jimc5
Date: August 28, 2004 at 15:00:09 Pacific
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Dre is right. Sygate is a good firewall too. But just be aware, free is not always good. A firewall without constant updates, is next to useless.

I will add another to your known list...
Symantec or Norton Firewall. Also, there is McAfee Firewall, if you have a few bucks in your wallet.

Just because you have dial-up is no guarantee! The MINUTE you get on-line, you are in jeopardy these days. I have done a great deal of investigation on computer security...and I just read, that two years ago it took about 15 minutes on the average to get "attacked" while on line...that time has now been reduced to 15 SECONDS!

By attacked, I mean, probed, by a hacker, looking for an open and responsive port.

The fact of the matter is, there are a lot of ways to stealth their way into your computer. Your computer can even be turned into a Zombie and made to do mass emailings without your even knowing it.

A hacker can address every last open port you have and steal all of your private info, codes, security codes, credit card info, etc. Even if you don't buy things over the net, you are crazy not to use a firewall to block hackers.

Ad aware and other such programs are no guarantee of not being used....I am talking about hackers who use your computer without your knowledge, for specific purposes, like doing illegal things, spamming, etc.

You could potentially be held liable if your computer is traced as the source of the spam! It could get ugly.

It's the bandwidth and the free cpu cycles that the hackers are after.

YOu can go to gibson research to learn more.
Symantec and McAfee both have scanners to scan your computer and tell you more about the hazards.

There is info all over the net that tells you why you need a firewall...this is just the beginning of the reasons why!


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Response Number 3
Name: StuartS
Date: August 28, 2004 at 15:06:53 Pacific
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I agree with dre, I wouldn't go anywhere near the Internet without a firewall, anymore than I would go near a strange woman without a condom, and the Internet is full of strange woman - and men!

Zone Alarm do a good free firewall as well. I have heard good reports of it although I use the paid version which is excellent.

You need anti-virus, firewall and ad-ware. They all do slightly different jobs although there is some overlap between them.

Stuart


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Response Number 4
Name: Derek
Date: August 28, 2004 at 15:57:55 Pacific
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The three most popular freebies are Zone Alarm, Sygate and Kerio. All of them are effective.

ZA is probably the worst resource hog of the three but many folk use it just fine. Not perhaps the best choice for low spec machines.

Sygate is a nice balance as far as resource usage is concerned.

I happen to like Kerio which is very small indeed. Having said that it is far more DIY than the other two and is a bit of a handful to set up (you end up creating your own rules). I had to add extra rules to stop intrusions "after" it had passed the popular Sheilds Up test. That gives me confidence.

ZA and Sygate are easy to use/setup. For most folk I would probably recommend Sygate but for some reason it hates my particular software mix and all versions have caused freeze ups. Other folk seem to have no trouble with it, even on lower spec machines than mine.

Derek.W


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Response Number 5
Name: New Guy
Date: August 28, 2004 at 16:38:59 Pacific
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Wow! I had no idea that a firewall was that important. Man, how stupid have I been? Well, I'm changing that. For now, I think I'll go with ZA or Sygate until I can shell out the bucks for something like Norton or McAfee. Thanks alot for the advice. Now I can cruise the net knowing I'm not giving a hacker or some other sleeze a free ride. Do any of you guys know of any web sites that will test the effectiveness of my new firewall?


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Response Number 6
Name: Wolfeymole
Date: August 28, 2004 at 17:44:49 Pacific
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Hi New Guy
Zone Alarm and Sygate are both good but I prefer Sygate I get boxes popping up all the time saying "Port scan attack logged" and being able to laugh about it because nothing gets through.
Get Sygate ok then test your system using Sygate, it will report back that all your ports should be stealthed, totally hidden from the nasty people out there.
Wolfey

On a hot summers night would you offer your throat to the Wolf with the Red Roses?


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Response Number 7
Name: Abnormal
Date: August 28, 2004 at 18:31:40 Pacific

Response Number 8
Name: AlexTheLegend
Date: August 29, 2004 at 00:14:33 Pacific
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Actually, as a dialup user. I never get attacked. Not a chance in the world. Hackers don't go for us slow connection user, they go for the high speed stuff. Don't bother with a firewall using dialup, I don't never had a problem. I don't even use a virus scanner, lol.


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Response Number 9
Name: Cheryl C
Date: August 29, 2004 at 04:23:49 Pacific
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For Alex

No Firewall? No Anti Virus?

Guess that means any guy who plays the game but lacks energy doesn't need a condom?


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Response Number 10
Name: Derek
Date: August 29, 2004 at 09:28:44 Pacific
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Sure, "with a great deal of care" you can probably manage without AV or Firewall on dial-up. One silly slip and they'll get you though.

Also remember that these guys are getting more clever by the minute. We have moved from machine wreckers to "organised crime". They will filch passwords, credit card info and goodness know what else given half the chance. Then we have the malware/trojan brigade and so on....

I'm on dial up but definitely say "no thanks" to all this for the sake of the necessary protection. I would never suggest on this board that "others" take risks. What folk do on "their own" machine is obviously their business.

Derek.W


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Response Number 11
Name: ham30
Date: August 29, 2004 at 11:40:32 Pacific
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Alex is dead wrong. You absolutely need a firewall on a dial up system. I speak from personal experience.


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Response Number 12
Name: yankanuk
Date: August 29, 2004 at 14:54:04 Pacific
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Cheryl C, That was a good explanation, I got a good chuckle on that. Sygate free home edition is definately my choice.

If you need a simple solution, try mine. I try to give advise on things that have happened to my PC. Changes in registry can be FATAL! I now have a 95% success rate!


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Response Number 13
Name: Wolfeymole
Date: August 29, 2004 at 15:25:52 Pacific
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Alex mate
Your an accident waiting to happen.
I'm on dial up and I get port scan attacks regularly as I have mentioned.
I do a regular whois on IP's that have tried to infiltrate.
If you think it's funny Alex don't come crying when your machine is toast.
Wolfeymole

On a hot summers night would you offer your throat to the Wolf with the Red Roses?


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Response Number 14
Name: New Guy
Date: August 29, 2004 at 22:32:42 Pacific
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Well, I certainly feel a whole lot safer since I installed Sygate's Personal Firewall. Just a question I've wondered, do ISPs and such put firewalls on their servers to protect their customers from hackers? I've heard that some use spam filters and such. Just wondering. I guess all this time, I counted on my ISP to provide the firewall. How crazy was that?


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Response Number 15
Name: Derek
Date: August 30, 2004 at 12:26:37 Pacific
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I think ISP's could probably do more but they mainly introduce stuff to protect themselves (some might fortuitously protect you a little). It varies a great deal. Some have been a bit more active about Spam recently. My server offers spam filtering for a small fee.

You have to open your doors to use the internet (whatever the ISP might do) so you do need your own firewall, that only allows in what you say and what is safe.

So, I pronounce you not at all crazy, perhaps a bit hopeful LOL.

Derek.W


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Response Number 16
Name: Bobthearch
Date: August 31, 2004 at 07:46:27 Pacific
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When on dialup, my computer's connections are constantly being scanned from outside sources, according to the firewall's security logs.

Definitely get a firewall. If the free ones work for you, there's no reason to spend $$ for for-fee software; it isn't more effective, just more expensive.

Here is an exellent website for testing your computer's security:

Shield's Up by Gibson Research:
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

Try it with and without the firewall...

Alex, I don't have anti-virus software running constantly either, and it's been years since I had a virus. The trick is ~never~ share files with strangers, ~never~ open unexpected e-mail attachements, and ~never~ let anyone else use my computer.

Best Wishes,
Bob


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Response Number 17
Name: Sean Martin
Date: September 2, 2004 at 13:33:46 Pacific
Reply:

Hey all,

I do not use a firewall on my dial-up either anymore. I did for a while, and was running ZA pro. The purchased one. I think the only difference between the pay and free are options available to user. The basic protection level is the same among them. This applies to the technology behind AVG Free and the one that one would pay for. Not sure about cable or DSL ISP's, but those of you on dialups running a firewall, look closely at the log files for the "scanning" your refering about. I was concerned about all that at first myself. Then I happened to realize that the "scan" was from my own ISP basically just 'checking' up on me. Probably nothing more than something along the lines of a 'keep-alive' ping to make sure I was still an active conection. After I acknowledge these from my ISP, there really weren't any major incommings, mostly just garbage. Nothing that posed a 'threat'. If one is running highspeed, just put in a 40 dollar router, then you can eliminate the software firewall and free up resources. But NEVER run without antivirus if you do a lot of 'wierd' web surfing. Just visiting some websites can infect ones' computer, and then , well, have fun getting it out after the fact, and have fun possible reloading your hard-drive!! hehe

just my 2cents
Sean

If the house catches fire, SAVE the computer!!


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