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Name: phil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 12:11:08 Pacific
OS: 98
CPU/Ram: athlon 1500 560ram
Comment:

ok i tried the suggestion someone said on here ill paste it

It would certainly appear that you have placed an upper limit on the file cache, which is amazingly low.
Do Start > Run > System.ini

Scroll to the [vcache] section and delete the line

MinFileCache

and replace the MaxFileCache line by

MaxFileCache=512000

Save, exit and reboot

The above now allows Windows to fully managed the cache, BUT restricts it to a maximum of 512MBs. Win9x has potential issues if the cache can grow above 512.

Do these adjustments, and you should see a noticeable difference in performance.


ok so i did this and i broke my own rules of not getting a 2nd opinion...well my disply driver went into a "flying FUBAR crying fit"!! took me an hour to get it reinstalled...i dont think ill be messing with those settings again..




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Response Number 1
Name: Justme (by phil0412)
Date: September 1, 2003 at 12:51:47 Pacific
Reply:

before i got my video to work i did put the original values back in my ini file...
im noticing alot more probs...my sound was gone..i had to reinstall that...my winamp was crashing with the page fault at
0167:00401134...i still cannot reintall winamp...i wonder what other problems im gonna have


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Response Number 2
Name: SkipCox
Date: September 1, 2003 at 13:22:15 Pacific
Reply:

Relax, do you use onboard video set to 16Mb?
If you have 512Mb of memory with an additional 64Mb chip in your machine, I'd like you to remove that 64Meg chip. Let's see what happens here. The suggestion you got is valid.

It's possible we now have some registry corruption but let's try this first.

Skip


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Response Number 3
Name: phil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 13:49:11 Pacific
Reply:

ok ...i erroneously reported the wrong ram size...not hard to do taking care of 4 pc's here...i have one 128 chip and one 512 chip for a total of 640mb...im using a pci vid card...nvidia geforce 2 pro 64mg..actually the only thing im battling now is trying to get my winamp to install...i get 2 page fault errors at once when it tries to open..
one is at 0167:00401134 and the other is at
0167:bff9dfff...and also pcpitstop is coming up with some strange readings on my memory

Description Results
RAM installed 1280 MB
Windows RAM 640 MB
Total RAM slots 3
Available RAM slots 1
Max RAM module size 32 MB
Memory Type 0+1024+256;DIMM,Unknown,;T16
Level 1 Cache 128 KB
Level 2 Cache 256 KB
Speed Rating 3998 MB/s (No similar CPU/MHz)
The System Management BIOS is reporting that there is 1280 MB of RAM, but Windows reports that 640 MB is available. The most common reason for this discrepancy is that your system uses some system RAM for the video graphics card or BIOS functions. This case is common in highly-integrated PCs with video graphics built into the system board, and does not require any changes on your part.

There is a large discrepancy between the memory reported by the BIOS versus Windows. Often, this indicates a System Management BIOS (SMBIOS) problem and you may be able to fix it with a BIOS upgrade available from the vendor. SMBIOS results can be incorrect even if the power-on self test (POST) detects all of your installed RAM. For more insight into what your SMBIOS reports and why it can be wrong, download and run our SMBIOS reporting tools.

i only have 640mb installed...


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Response Number 4
Name: SkipCox
Date: September 1, 2003 at 13:57:35 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Phil. Now I'd like you to remove the 128Mb chip. That eliminates the original problem and you do not need it.

Skip


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Response Number 5
Name: Justme (by phil0412)
Date: September 1, 2003 at 14:10:02 Pacific
Reply:

ok i did that...i still have a ton of things wrong...i have no sound anymore...the volume control is gone also...i cant print...i cant open wordpad...cant get winamp to work...im sure there is more...im almost ready to reinstall windows or go to xp


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Response Number 6
Name: SkipCox
Date: September 1, 2003 at 15:13:26 Pacific
Reply:

O.K. Nothing wrong with reinstalling 98. Let's try to do it on top of your current install. You can pop you cd in and start setup.exe. You'll likely be asked to install to C:\Windows.000. Don't do that.
Just type c:\windows to reinstall in the original directory. That should fix some problems and if we need to uninstall/reinstall some drivers we can do that afterwards.


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Response Number 7
Name: WhitPhil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 15:17:45 Pacific
Reply:

Skip:

Thanks for stepping in, although nothing seems to be helping.

Phil:
I have no idea what has happened to your PC, BUT changing the settings for vcache would certainly not be the cause.

May I suggest one more thing to try.

Restart to DOS and enter

Scanreg /Restore

Choose todays date.

And, reboot

This will restore the registry, system.ini and win.ini files to what they were when the PC was booted this AM. (assuming you have not remove Scanregistry from your startups)

After the boot, is all well again?

If so, I would appreciate if you could be a guinea pig, and apply the vcache changes again. And reboot.

If you have problems again, you can use the restore to get out of it.

Changing the file cache settings only control how windows sets up and area called VCache. I have never seen this have any dire affects, and it can not cause video and audio, not to work, and programs not to install.

I know that this exactly what you are saying has happened, but I am at a loss to explain how any of it is related to the file cache settings you changed.


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Response Number 8
Name: WhitPhil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 15:19:29 Pacific
Reply:

I would put the install on hold for the time being.

Something has happened to your PC and it is NOT the vcache settings. Before compounding the issue by doing an overinstall, you should attempt to determine what actually caused the problems.


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Response Number 9
Name: phil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 15:26:49 Pacific
Reply:

WHEW!!! i did the reinstall over the old..i am now problem free!!!! i decided to check my ini file and there is no MaxFileCache
or MinFileCache line though...but my programs are responding quickly...i think ill leave it along till i decide to go to xp and never fix it till its broke...thanks guys i really do apperciate it..and i never thought i got bad advice...i realize things just go wrong with pc's for no apparent reason..thanks again for being there


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Response Number 10
Name: SkipCox
Date: September 1, 2003 at 16:11:11 Pacific
Reply:

Phil,

Don't worry about it. Sometimes, one wrong keystroke can bring a system to its knees.
Good advice is one thing but we'd all do a lot better if we had the machine in front of us.

WhitPhil,

The vcache setting was not the problem. Something ended up in the wrong place. That's why I asked him to remove the 128Meg chip and eliminate that problem entirely and install on top. No data loss and luckily we got away with it. I had my doubts about registry integrity when I first read this post.

Skip


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Response Number 11
Name: WhitPhil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 16:31:28 Pacific
Reply:

Skip:

Very true.

I guess I always look at it from the other stance.

I have a broken machine. How did it get that way? Because, even though I may be able to fix it, it may just as easily get broken again. So, while it is in this state, it is worthwhile to do some troubleshooting.

In this case, something very strange has happened (although I think it had to happen before the file cache change)

All that was done was Start > System.ini .....etc
Save, exit and reboot.

There is NOTHING in this string of events that could possibly cause the issues reported above. One would be hard pressed to have major finger problems, and cause these events!

Phil, as a BTW, you didn't happen to get a Scandisk running after the reboot did you. Like, after a bad shutdown?


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Response Number 12
Name: phil
Date: September 1, 2003 at 17:19:49 Pacific
Reply:

no ..after i edited the ini file it rebooted just fine...thats when i noticed my icons were big..then when i went to change the settings i couldnt raise em higher than 800x600 with 256 colors...i know my pc pretty well and i know more than the average joe on a pc...these probs started at the very same time i did the change..and i did edit it correctly...i always make darn sure of that...something just wrong...i dont know what either...ive seen gremlins before so im not surprised by this...i know for a fact that the advice i was given didnt cause it directly...just a gremlin


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Response Number 13
Name: Justme (by phil0412)
Date: September 1, 2003 at 17:29:15 Pacific
Reply:

AMENDMENT

it does kinda look like i implied that i was given bad advice by saying i should have gotten a 2nd opinion...though i still believe in 2nd opinions or even 3rd i just want to clarify that i appreciate your help and i know that it was just a strange occurance.


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Response Number 14
Name: mesich
Date: September 2, 2003 at 04:12:11 Pacific
Reply:

Hi everyone,

Although this thread is at it's end I thought I would go ahead and respond anyway.

Never hurts to get a second or third option Phil. I read your original post and did not respond as I completely agreed with WhitPhil.

In this particular case a second opinion would have only confirmed what WhitPhil said and would not have helped. You have got me thinking though, others may be awaiting as you for the second opinion. I will personally we more conscience of this.

I didn't take what you stated the wrong way and thought it very good of you to post response #13.

As for what happened, I am at a total loss. The changes to the system.ini file have nothing to do with your video or sound. I have performed the same change on several different computers where the user is dual booting Win98 and WinXP. They use 768Mb of RAM which works well on WinXP but not with Win98.

Glad to hear everything is now fine.

Best Regards,
Mesich


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