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Expanded Memory (EMS) on fresh 98se

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Name: Levethian
Date: August 26, 2006 at 06:04:35 Pacific
OS: Windows 98 Second Edition
CPU/Ram: P266/128
Product: Sony Vaio Picturebook PCG
Comment:

I've looked through several threads with 'NOEMS/RAM' related advice on producing Expanded Memory for aged games. Unfortunately, my Autoexec.bat, config.sys, etc files are totally blank, and when I ask the notebook to process these files on startup, it automatically reverts to 'Normal Startup' instead of 'Selective startup'. My computer is still "not configured for expanded memory in MS-DOS sessions".

*GRRRR*

I'm ignorant. Please pity me, and let me satisfy my nostalgic yearnings to play Might and Magic 4+5!



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Response Number 1
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: August 26, 2006 at 06:32:27 Pacific
Reply:

A little searching sometimes goes a long way.

http://2dos.homepage.dk/batutil/help/EMM386S.HTM
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/msdos/comm3.mspx?mfr=true



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Response Number 2
Name: Levethian
Date: August 26, 2006 at 07:41:26 Pacific
Reply:

I'm sure it does... Though I wish I could interpret these pages. Am I supposed to start in DOS, or what?

When I do that, and type "emm386", it says 'Driver not installed'.

Config.sys (opened with notepad) reads:

Dos=high, umb
Device=C:\windows\himem.sys
Device=C:\Windows\Emm386.exe on ram 4096

Accessing EMM386 from Windows reads:

Expanded memory services unavailable (0kb, 0kb, address = FFOH H).

I have a similar computer (Libretto 70CT) with working EMS, which I can compare to if it helps.

Msconfig.exe always reverts to 'Normal Startup' instead of staying at 'Selective Startup' which I select in order to process the Config, etc. Selective startup won't let me select Autoexec.bat (which is blank).


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Response Number 3
Name: ham30
Date: August 26, 2006 at 12:59:13 Pacific
Reply:

Check this page:

http://infomyth.com/dos/

Look for the config.sys heading.

Do yourself a favor BACKUP!


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Response Number 4
Name: Dan Penny
Date: August 27, 2006 at 00:49:00 Pacific
Reply:

Try this in your c:\config.sys;

Dos=high,umb
Device=C:\windows\himem.sys
Device=C:\Windows\Emm386.exe ram


It's a good day when you learn something


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Response Number 5
Name: Levethian
Date: August 27, 2006 at 08:19:22 Pacific
Reply:

http://infomyth.com/dos/ looked promising, but isn't that for running in Dos rather than Dos within Windows? I have no C:\Dos directory.

"Try this in your c:\config.sys;

Dos=high,umb
Device=C:\windows\himem.sys
Device=C:\Windows\Emm386.exe ram"

Done - EMS still unavailable, though "EMM386 active". Curiously, one old game is working (w/o sound), and the EMS tab is now available on its properties.

Might and Magic, though, still wont work:

Illegal operation - invalid page exception:

Fault location: 0028:CO2A7BEB
Faulting Component: IFSMGR(04) + 000092FF
Interrupts in service: None

I cleared the Disconnect option check box in the CD-Rom properties, but it didn't do anything.

Much thanks to you all, btw..


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Response Number 6
Name: Levethian
Date: August 28, 2006 at 03:04:24 Pacific
Reply:

Anyone know what this means?

Illegal operation - invalid page exception:

Fault location: 0028:CO2A7BEB
Faulting Component: IFSMGR(04) + 000092FF
Interrupts in service: None


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Response Number 7
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 30, 2006 at 00:08:27 Pacific
Reply:

Try downloading memmaker. It's an old dos program to maximize the lower 640K and configure EMS.

Unzip it to the c:\windows folder. Run msconfig. Choose 'advanced' and check 'enable startup menu'. Then 'apply', 'OK' and reboot.

When the menu comes up choose 'command prompt only'. At the dos prompt type memmaker and enter. Follow the instructions. The computer will reboot twice before memmaker is done. Each time it reboots choose 'command prompt only'.

When it's done configuring config.sys and autoexec.bat, reboot again and choose 'normal mode'. Run msconfig--advanced again and uncheck the start menu option. 'Apply' and 'OK' again. When it reboots you won't get the startup menu and it'll go straight to normal mode.


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Response Number 8
Name: MagnumForce
Date: August 31, 2006 at 06:22:58 Pacific
Reply:

Is there a version thats in english? I would like to use this myself, but it appears to be in german.


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Response Number 9
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 31, 2006 at 13:24:16 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry, I didn't check that. You can download 'olddos.exe' from here. It has several dos files that weren't originally included with 95. Memmaker needs all the memmaker.* files as well as sizer.exe and chkstate.sys from that group in order to run.

After I run memmaker I remove any

buffers
files
FCBS
stacks
lastdrive

lines as windows defaults for those are usually adequate, although you should probably check your original config.sys to see if any added software has changed those figures.


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Response Number 10
Name: Levethian
Date: September 3, 2006 at 07:33:14 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks, DAVEINCAPS - everything looks normal in the EMM386 now.

Unfortunately, World of Xeen is STILL not working - same error:

Illegal operation - invalid page exception:

Fault location: 0028:CO2A7BEB
Faulting Component: IFSMGR(04) + 000092FF
Interrupts in service: None

Is IFSMGR.vxd causing this?.. Its located in C:\Windows\System\VMM32 - the 'virtual device driver'. Do I need a new one?...

Also, the sound for other old games still isn't working.. Any ideas?


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Response Number 11
Name: Levethian
Date: September 3, 2006 at 10:29:39 Pacific
Reply:

Every time I start up the computer now, it accuses me of having started the Memmaker with the '/SESSION switch' - which is apparently 'the incorrect use of this switch'.

Can I get it to stop doing that?


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Response Number 12
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 3, 2006 at 14:52:15 Pacific
Reply:

The game may not run in a dos window. It may need to run in pure dos.

After you run memmaker it will remove the files it uses from config.sys. Apparently the process was interrupted and those files are still running. Post back contents of config.sys and autoexec.bat so we can see what's going on with them.


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Response Number 13
Name: Levethian
Date: September 4, 2006 at 06:29:04 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks,
The Config Sys contains:

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.exe RAM
BUFFERS=12,0
FILES=30
DOS=UMB
LASTDRIVE=Z
FCBS=4,0
DOS=HIGH

Autoexec cotains:

C:\WINDOWS\MEMMAKER.exe /SESSION:30431

The game can work within Windows - it does on a similar computer with the following config.sys contents:

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.exe ON RAM 4096
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\DISPLAY.SYS,CON=(EGA,,1)
COUNTRY=044,850, C:\WINDOWS\COUNTRY.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\PANNING.SYS

I hope you understand these... :)


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Response Number 14
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 4, 2006 at 12:20:38 Pacific
Reply:

Edit config.sys so it just has these lines:

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.exe RAM 4096
DOS=HIGH,UMB

The other lines from the second computer on which the game works probably don't influence it.

Then edit autoexec.bat to remove the memmaker line.

To edit these lines you can use notepad (and open c:\config.sys and c:\autoexec.bat) or SYSEDIT. Or from dos you can use EDIT.


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Response Number 15
Name: Levethian
Date: September 5, 2006 at 04:10:40 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks again, system turns on properly now. EMM386 says 0kb upper memory available again though, but it isn't having a negative effect on the games.

'Swords of Xeen' is the same format as 'world of xeen', and works, but does not require the CD - Is the cd-rom causing the problem? (other games have no trouble). 'World of Xeen' does not require any data from the CD to run. Is there a way to make the game play without it, if I'm allowed to ask? :)


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Response Number 16
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 5, 2006 at 19:55:34 Pacific
Reply:

Some games may give an option for a complete install where everything is installed to the hard drive or a simpler install where the game is played from the cd. Or some may require the cd just as verification you actually have the game. I'm not sure if yours fits either category but I'd think you'd get a message about inserting the game cd if that was the case. I don't know if there's a way around that but you might consult some gaming sites abou it.

I'm assuming you're running this from a dos windows and not pure dos. A dos window will have cdrom support; pure dos won't. If you need cdrom support in pure dos then you need to add a cdrom driver in config.sys and mscdex in autoexec.bat.


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Response Number 17
Name: Levethian
Date: September 6, 2006 at 16:17:24 Pacific
Reply:

Hrm.. This game seems to always need the CD. Though I find it odd that my Libretto can run the game in a dos window, but this Picturebook can't. Grr :)


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Response Number 18
Name: trvlr
Date: September 6, 2006 at 17:30:25 Pacific
Reply:

Is there anyway to copy the CD to the hard-drive, then change whatever instruction/entry in the registry that points to/looks for the CD to go to the hard-drive location instead?


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Response Number 19
Name: Levethian
Date: September 8, 2006 at 10:44:52 Pacific
Reply:

Seems not.. Everything from the CD is already copied. Accroding to some googl'ed sites, the XEEN.DAT file (which is an .exe file) has been compressed with "PKlite" to avoid fiddling/cracking. After PKlite is removed, I'm to do something like:

Remove password check (Run UNP -K XEEN.DAT before!)
XEEN.DAT
0001A6ED: 15 00

Or apparently I need a RAZOR crack, and not a TDT crack which doesn't work...

Grr.. I wish it would just work. I actually own 3 copies of this game in CD-version. Is anyone aware how to remove PKlite?

Am I going to get into trouble for talking about this? :)


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Response Number 20
Name: jboy
Date: September 8, 2006 at 17:49:47 Pacific
Reply:

... could be.

Go here and try this old PkLite unpacker (UNP)

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Response Number 21
Name: Levethian
Date: September 11, 2006 at 07:28:30 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks, Jboy. Its unpacked, though unfortunately I have varying accounts of what should be done next. I can't find any of the lines I've been asked to change...

GRRR.

Its ludicrous that a 30mb, 13-year-old game needs 2cd's to run.


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Response Number 22
Name: trvlr
Date: September 11, 2006 at 07:38:44 Pacific
Reply:

Just be thankful it doesn't demand/require a cassette-tape... - chuckles...


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Response Number 23
Name: Levethian
Date: September 11, 2006 at 12:41:30 Pacific
Reply:

Heh... Well, I'd be tolerant of cassette tapes if they made the game work. In this case the CD's are the problem that prevents the game working...


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