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Name: Janet le
Date: September 12, 2004 at 09:57:27 Pacific
OS: win98
CPU/Ram: 486sx2/640k
Comment:

I am trying to repair a friends pc, he formatted his hd and i couldn't get anything to work, don't think he made a partition so i installed a hd i had that was working, i set cmos to autotype received following message, autotype failed, failure fixed disk o, and i get 2 short beeps.
I powered down, inserted win98 startup disk and turned back on, goes to system info screen with all info,
CPU 486sx2 50mhz
coprocessor none, (im only putting part of info, trying to be short as possible)
master 0 user, master 1 none, slave o &1 none,
started with cd/rom support, and got, PCI read config failure, 98 drive c has no valid fat or fat32 partition, run fdisk,
Diagnostic tools loaded to drive c
device driver not found MSCD001
no valid CD rom device drivers selected,
(cd rom is connected to a video card)
a:/ I typed in at the prompt fdisk and receive the following message
error reading fixed disk
a:/
this is the same thing on both hd's
Please help I dont know where to go from here
thanks, sorry so long



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Response Number 1
Name: New Guy
Date: September 12, 2004 at 11:28:59 Pacific
Reply:

Hmmmmm... Start with the basics. Check the drives' signal cables and see if they're installed correctly. It might be a backwards cable. Also check to see if the drives are jumpered correctly (master, slave stuff). How large are the drives? On a 486 system, really big drives over say 2Gig or so may require a BIOS update. Can you hear the drives spin up when you apply power? Do you get error messages on screen like "No fixed Disk Present" or "Fixed Disk Error?" It could be a lot of things. Keep us posted


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Response Number 2
Name: Dave357
Date: September 12, 2004 at 11:35:25 Pacific
Reply:

Janet,

>master 0 user...

Did you enter the proper info into CMOS for this HD?

>486sx2 50mhz...

This motherboard obviously has an older BIOS that undoubtedly has HD size limitations. This may be the reason that AUTO Detect failed in CMOS setup with the newer HD.

You'd probably be better off reinstalling the original HD & using it. Since the BIOS sees it as user(defined), the settings are probably OK. (The settings are probably still set for this HD).

With the CD attached to the soundcard, You'll need to either find & install the correct drivers for this, or find another way to copy the Win9x directory onto the HD, such as slaving the HD temporarily into another PC which has a working CD.)

HTH

Dave

If a Man is talking in the forest and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?


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Response Number 3
Name: Janet le
Date: September 12, 2004 at 12:39:58 Pacific
Reply:

Thank you for your quick response,
Dave357,
I entered the info from the new hd in cmos, still didnt work that is why i went to auto detect. I really would rather use the original hd but i keep getting the same messages,
If i put the original hd in my system what changes do i make to the cmos? I have a compaq win98 3d processor 248 mb ram. the cmos is alot different than on the pb486.
Can I install Win95 from my sys to the other hd? (I dont have setup for 98 only 95)
Can I download the driver for the cd rom from my system?
New Guy
I have checked all of the cables and connections and all are ok, Is the BIOS update something I set or something I need to install, not sure about that one? I can hear all drives spin when power up, never have got fix disk error messages. Just the 2 beeps which my understanding is means parity error in first 64kb of memory

Again thanks so much for all your help janet


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Response Number 4
Name: Dave357
Date: September 12, 2004 at 13:35:29 Pacific
Reply:

Janet, re-install the original HD, after first copying down (from the HD's label) the number of Cylinders, etc. Be sure that the cables are installed correctly...red stripe on the ribbon cable goes to pin 1...usually next to the power cable.Set the CMOS to AUTO(detect) the HD. If it fails, change the setting to User and manually enter the information that you copied from the label. Save Changes & Exit, rebooting with a bootdisk...preferably one from the Operating System that you intend on installing. You can obtain bootdisks here.

After booting with the bootdisk, at the A:\> prompt type fdisk (enter). Select Y to Large Disk Support (unless installing Win95 original version or Win95A). Select Option 4--Display Partition Information. This will tell you if there are any partitions defined. If not, esc your way back to the main fdisk menu & select Option 1--Create Primary DOS Partition. Follow the prompts to create the partition, rebooting when prompted. After rebooting, you'll need to format the newly formed partition by typing format C: (enter).

Post back when you've gotten this far.

HTH

Dave

If a Man is talking in the forest and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?


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Response Number 5
Name: New Guy
Date: September 12, 2004 at 13:47:37 Pacific
Reply:

Going by the original message. Now that I think about it, there's a couple of things going on. Do you happen to know the size of the original hard disk? Try going into the CMOS and manually entering the drive's criteria (Heads, Cylinders, Sectors, etc.) That stuff should be on the drive itself (the label on the cover. The "User Defined" option will let you do this. The CMOS autodetect feature for the hdisk doesn't always work so great. As for the CD-ROM, try setting it up as a slave to the original hard drive and rebooting. You can also set it up as a master on the secondary IDE channel. I don't think the CD-ROM drivers included on the Win98 startup disk were intended to identify CD-ROMS attached to a video or sound card. It might work better if the CD-ROM is on an IDE channel. If all goes well, the system should boot off the Win98 startup disk, providing the hard drive is all good. Win95 should install right from the command prompt.


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Response Number 6
Name: Janet le
Date: September 12, 2004 at 15:36:03 Pacific
Reply:

Ok i reinstalled the original hd, set the cmos config, i also tried the cd rom on master 1 auto when i rebooted i got the following:
adapter o master - change detected
adapter 1 master - auto type failed
system reconfigured
failure fixed disk 1
reset the cmos without cd on master 1 and rebooted with boot disk
started with cd rom support
no driver found of course, anyway choose 4 and partition info is:
partition: c: 1, status 1, type Pri Dos, Vol Label cd-rom, Mbytes 325, sys Fat16, Usage 100%, disk space is 325 mbytes,
So I put format c: at the a prompt
several times went to trying to recover allocation unit *****, at 81% and units 35,152 hd started making very loud noises and format was terminated.


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Response Number 7
Name: New Guy
Date: September 12, 2004 at 15:57:52 Pacific
Reply:

Sounds like a bad hard disk. You can try that other one you have. However if it's too big, your motherboard's BIOS might not recognize the drive. You can try entering the other hard disk's criteria in the CMOS setup manually(heads, cylinders, sectors, etc.) try installing the other hard disk, no CD-ROM, and give it a go. If you can get the CMOS to detect or at least recognize the presence of your hard drive, you're in business. Unfortunately, if your other drive is too big, Your BIOS might not recognize it, but that's to be expected on an older motherboard. Updating the BIOS is a pain. It's more of a hassle than it's worth because it involves flashing the motherboard's ROM. That involves a tricky process of finding your motherboard's BIOS vendor. The best bet is to find another small hard disk, maybe about 500MB or so and give that a try. Unfortunately, older motherboards don't always recognize newer hard drives.

Oh yeah, try running scandisk on the original hard drive to see if it has any errors on it. That might tell you the condition of the drive. Best of Luck!


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Response Number 8
Name: Wolfeymole
Date: September 12, 2004 at 17:01:12 Pacific
Reply:

This hard drive is dead is as simple as that.
When it tries to recover allocation units you know its goosed and that's a promise.
Wolfey

On a hot summers night would you offer your throat to the Wolf with the Red Roses?


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Response Number 9
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 12, 2004 at 17:06:50 Pacific
Reply:

As explained above, 486 bios' had a problem seeing large drives. Most would only see a maximum of 1024 cylinders on a drive. The maximum C/H/S setting would be 1024/16/63 and corresponds to about 500 meg.

So if you're going to try to install the second drive, post back it's model number.

A bios update may not be available so you'd either need to go with a drive overlay or a an IDE card with it's own bios to see larger drives. I know Promise made ISA cards that would run drives up to at least 4 gig.


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Response Number 10
Name: Janet le
Date: September 12, 2004 at 19:16:19 Pacific
Reply:

I cant thank you guys enough for all your help.

I have 3 hd's, I have listed the info from each below, any suggestions which one would be my best bet.

Samsung, model# WU33205A, cyl 6280, hd 16, sec 63, 3.24 gb

Conner,Model# CFS420A, cyl 826, hd 16, sec 63, 420 mb

Quantum ProDrive LPS, this one has two settings listed, I'm not really sure where this one came from,
C/H/S 270-944/14/40 and 540-1120/16/59

Again thanks for your help, Janet


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Response Number 11
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 12, 2004 at 20:28:58 Pacific
Reply:

A 486 bios should see the conner drive OK.

Sometimes quantum drives had more than one drive type listed on the label. But on the underside of the drive they sometimes included a sticker on the cable connector that told the size of that particular drive.

The 486 probably won't see the samsung drive on it's own.

If your cmos/bios setup has an 'auto detect hard drive' option use that to ID the drives in cmos--especially with the quantum. If the quantum is the 500 and the bios doesn't see it, manually enter 1024/16/59 instead of 1120/16/59.

Assuming the bios doesn't see the samsung, manually enter 1024/16/63 and then download and install a drive overlay so you can use the entire drive. I'll see if I can find a download for that.

98 isn't going to run very well on that computer. I'd suggest going no higher than 95.


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Response Number 12
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: September 12, 2004 at 20:48:44 Pacific
Reply:

Here's samsung's version of diskmanager that should install the overlay.


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Response Number 13
Name: New Guy
Date: September 13, 2004 at 08:32:24 Pacific
Reply:

The Conner drive would be your best bet. The BIOS should see that drive just fine. I definitely agree with DAVEINCAPS about Win95. Win98 hates a 486. It won't even run on a 486sx2 50. Win95 is a lot better for that machine. If you can, stuff it with as much RAM as it'll hold. Unfortunately, some of those 486 boards out there can't hold anymore than 8MB of RAM. If you're lucky, it'll hold up to 64MB. Good Luck!


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