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Name: jameshinton
Date: November 30, 2004 at 08:08:50 Pacific
Subject: dos error on boot
OS: win98se
CPU/Ram: celeron,64megs
Comment:

I accidently erased the cdrom folder from the C:\ folder in windows.which im assuming included neccessary files for my cd-rom music plays fine but when reading data it starts to spin at a high rate and i can tell something is wrong probably do to me deleting this file.. im getting this error message when i boot to dos mode "missing or corrupted file C:\CDROM\OAKCDROM.SYS" error in config.sys on line 17 device driver not found :IDECD000 no valid cdrom device drivers selected.. bad command or filename how can i get this fixed?and my cd-rom working right? also i ran the samsung sc-140 drivers program thinking it would replace the cdrom folder i erased but it hasnt there are no errors in my device manager for the cd-rom.....please someone help


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Response Number 1
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: November 30, 2004 at 08:23:25 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

James,

I just sent you the driver.

Make a new c:\CDROM folder and put the driver in it.

HTH


M2


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Response Number 2
Name: jameshinton
Date: November 30, 2004 at 08:40:38 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

thx mechanix i will do what u said ill post on what happens :)


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Response Number 3
Name: jameshinton
Date: November 30, 2004 at 08:47:12 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

hey i just realized i had a bad email in my settings could u please send that file to throwed_off_babi_boi@yahoo.com i would really appreciate it.


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Response Number 4
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: November 30, 2004 at 09:14:13 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

You got it.

M2


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Response Number 5
Name: jboy
Date: November 30, 2004 at 09:29:01 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

The CD DOS driver is not required for the normal operation of Windows. Replacing it (and it should be on your 98 CD) will likely stop the DOS error messages, but may not affect whatever problem you are having with the drive.


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Response Number 6
Name: jameshinton
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:13:51 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

hey jboy long time no see... glad to see ur helping people still and thanks alot mechanix for the re issue of that file. jboy what do u mean whatever problem im having might not be fixed by this im just trying to undo what i did which was erase the cd-rom folder from the c:\ folder lol yes im still a lil stubborn i should stop erasing files lol altogether remember the command.com problem i had long time ago lol?


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Response Number 7
Name: jboy
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:23:26 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

All too well ; )

Yeah, ok, you don't need to load the CD's DOS drivers (or config.sys or autoexec.bat) for Windows & your CD to operate.

With the actual DOS driver gone, config.sys still looks for it, and that is the source of some of your error messages. I'm doubtful if replacing the file will correct performance problems you're experiencing with the drive, but it won't hurt to try.

The other errors - 'bad command or filename' indicates an unrecognized command is being entered from autoexec.bat - you may want to examine that file with msconfig


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Response Number 8
Name: jameshinton
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:33:16 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

:) knew u couldnt forget about that problem lol ur right after doing what mechanix told me the error for that stopped when i reloaded into dos but after it loads the oakcdrom text im getting this message
MSCDEX VERSION 2.25 DriveM=Driver IDECD000 unit 0 bad command or filename my cd-rom drive is letter d tho when i look at it in windows...?also now musics cd's are working and im now looking at a mpeg video i got from the usa army now seems to be working ok for data cd's now. also do u have a messenger i can get a hold of u thru so we could talk about some other questions i have?


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Response Number 9
Name: jboy
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:41:02 Pacific
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Well, that's something - but, as mentioned, you could dispense with autoexec.bat & config.sys entirely and Windows wouldn't miss them.

You might want to open autoexec.bat with notepad and post it here for a look.

Not really keen on IM


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Response Number 10
Name: jameshinton
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:14:54 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

ok here's my autoexec.bat
(check mark)
echo off
REM to make a dos boot diskette, etc...
(check mark)
path C:\WINDOWS;c:\WINDOWCOMMAND\;c:\PROGRAM~1\DBCBT
(check mark)
SET PATH=%PATH% C:\Progra~1\NETWOR~\MCAFEE~1;C:\PROGRAM~1\DBCBT
Rem-by windows setup-mscdex.exe\d:IDECD000\L:M

REM C:\Samsung\mscxdex/D:SSCD000

rem- By windows setup-C:\Samsung\MSCDEX/D:SSCD000

the last entry is duplicated right under it and then thats the end of it.

in my config.sys file it says this
rem the below DOS CD-ROM Driver is not required to run windows 98
(check mark)DEVICE=c:\cdrom/oakcdrom.SYS /D:IDECD000

(Check mark)
DEVICE HIGH=C:\WINDOWS/COMMAND/DRVSPACE.SYS/ MOVE

REM DEVICE=C:\SAMSUNG/SSCDROM.SYS /D:SSCD000 /v
this entry is duplicated twice

(check mark)
DEVICE=C:\SAMSUNG/SSCDROM.SYS /D:SSCD000 /v
thats the end of that file


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Response Number 11
Name: jboy
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:30:41 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Entries prefaced by 'REM ' (remark) are not loaded.

You can dispense with the DRVSPACE.SYS/ line unless you are using drive compression (unlikely, but possible) - just uncheck it in msconfig.

C:\Progra~1\NETWOR~\MCAFEE~1;C:\PROGRAM~1\DBCBT

- is this program installed, or does the folder even exist? If not, that would be the source of the 'bad command..' message.


Of interest:

rem the below DOS CD-ROM Driver is not required to run windows 98

I'm doubtful if you need to be loading *any* of that stuff, unless you boot to straight DOS frequently, and require CD access. Kind of a mess, in general.


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Response Number 12
Name: Dan Penny
Date: November 30, 2004 at 12:30:18 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

"I'm doubtful if you need to be loading *any* of that stuff, unless you boot to straight DOS frequently, and require CD access. Kind of a mess, in general."

I agree. This is all for a dos environment basically.

What happens if you uncheck the "Process config.sys" and "Process autoexec.bat" files in MSCONFIG and then start your machine?


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Response Number 13
Name: jboy
Date: November 30, 2004 at 12:35:06 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Yeah - the only thing that might be desirable is the McAffee line (and path for it) - and it's debatable if that is even still installed.

Unless being setup for DOS is required, I would agree - disable both through msconfig and see if they're missed.


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Response Number 14
Name: jameshinton
Date: December 1, 2004 at 00:27:21 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

So uncheck the checkmarks next to Process config.sys and Process config.sys on the first screen when i load up msconfig? also the mcafee is no longer on my computer so i unchecked that like u suggested.also in doing that is this just to get ride of the error in dos mode or to fix the problem? MSCDEX VERSION 2.25 DriveM=Driver IDECD000 unit 0 bad command or filename

how can i fix it so i can still run the mscdex cus it was runing correctly before th is happened...


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Response Number 15
Name: jameshinton
Date: December 1, 2004 at 00:31:29 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

oh also looking in my c:\ folder the program driver installation program made this folder for the cd-rom which is C:\samsung\mscdex.exe do i need to tell it to look for mscdex in this location...?


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Response Number 16
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: December 1, 2004 at 00:41:40 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

In config & autoexec you either put the drivers / executables in the root or tell where they are.

M2

Mechanix2@Golden-Triangle.com


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Response Number 17
Name: Dan Penny
Date: December 1, 2004 at 04:09:10 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Yes, in msconfig remove the check marks for config.sys and autoexec.bat.

Regarding the rest of the topic, the point is; you don't need to load dos drivers to run the cd in windows. The only exception would be is if the cdrom is a proprietary drive. (Most of) these drives were run off of a sound card or other small interface card. If your cdrom data cable goes directly to the motherboard connector/controller, it's an atapi (IDE) drive.


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Response Number 18
Name: jboy
Date: December 1, 2004 at 07:06:17 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Yes - James - even your config.sys is telling you you don't need to load this stuff for Windows. If your CD-ROM works with the 'oak' driver, then it's IDE

Your startups consist of a bunch of duplicated 'remarks', unecessary drivers and an attempt to load an uninstalled program. You don't need any of that for Windows.

If you do need to maintain a setup for booting to DOS, a little tidying up is in order.


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Response Number 19
Name: jameshinton
Date: December 1, 2004 at 07:51:56 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

ok i will uncheck both of those boxes and see what happens i do run dos.. but only to play emulators will this be ok? also yes it must be a ide drive


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Response Number 20
Name: jboy
Date: December 1, 2004 at 08:15:11 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Depends on what the emulator requires. The only useful DOS driver being loaded was for your CD drive - if you don't need the CD from a DOS boot, nothing to worry about.


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