boot problem

March 4, 2010 at 17:07:13
Specs: Windows 95, pentium-mmx 200MHz
Hello,
I'm trying to revive an old machine to donate to a friend, but win. 95 will not boot. Internal batt. was dead so it was replaced, along with batt. holder(broken) so now it keeps time correctly.
At start up window hangs at post screen as follows:

Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG.
Copywright (C) 1984-97, Award software, Inc.
p5tx-Bpro Ver2.0 07/17/97
Pentium-MMX- cpu at 200MHz
Memory test : 98304 OK
Award Plug and Play BIOS Extension v1.OA
Detects HHD Primary Master
Primary Slave none
HDD Secondary Master Toshiba CD- Rom
Secondary Slave none
Initializing Plug and Play Cards....
Card-01 Creative SB AWE-64 PnP

Cursor stops here and just blinks.

I've opened the BIOS and all setting are whats' in the mainboard user's manual, cleared the CMOS with the jumper,tried changing the boot sequence..nothing??
It won't boot from the original CD, or a boot floppy,(tried the floppy in a different machine and it works)
Any suggestions would be appreicated
Thanks in advance
bw75


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#1
March 4, 2010 at 19:06:24
try minimizing the amount of add-in cards by pulling out sound cards, modems, ethernet cards, extra/unnecessary video cards etc. Even disconnect all hard drives and CD's just in case at first. Also disable any advanced features in the bios (power features off, plug n' play mode off, etc.) Also check the inside of the computer to make sure the cables are plugged in correctly. Lastly, in the BIOS, make sure that the floppy drive is specified correctly. If it is the wrong type, then the option needs to be changed to the correct setting. Be absolutely sure that the floppy drive is first in the boot sequence. Then try the boot floppy again. Most windows 95 setup disks do not automatically boot. some do but many require setup diskettes which is essentially a boot disk with a custom setup configuration to automatically run the files on the cd.

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#2
March 4, 2010 at 21:37:47
Was it previously working with whatever hard drive it now contains?

With the floppy drive as the first boot device, do you get an error message when attempting a boot from a floppy disk or just the cursor?

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#3
March 5, 2010 at 06:33:46
jz,
Thanks,
have tried pulling everything out and ck. all you suggested, showed nothing installed, pluged back in hd. and cd-rom they showed up at next re-start but still no boot, stops at blinking cursor.

DAVEINCAPS;
Thanks
yes it did work with the hard drive it now contains no error message when attempting a boot from a floppy disk just the cursor


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#4
March 5, 2010 at 13:23:05
Did you possibly do anything that may corrupt the bios (failed BIOS flash, get a really bad virus, etc.)? Also, did you, to the best of your knowledge, do anything that may have caused this problem if you don't think your BIOS is screwed up? What is your knowledge of computers (I want to know whether everything i tell you has to be step by step or can be generalized)? Lastly, is your floppy drive interface onboard or a plug in card? what about your IDE (connector for your hard drive)?

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#5
March 5, 2010 at 13:59:05
So it always does the same thing--just the cursor--no matter what drives are connected?

Leave it sit for awhile at the cursor. Do you eventually get an error message?

Try disconnecting all the drives, even the floppy, and see what happens.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


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#6
March 7, 2010 at 14:37:50
jz
Sorry for the slow post.

No failed Bios flash, or virus, the computer has been in storage for a few yrs. and the batt. was dead,and upon replacement the clip broke on the holder so I soldered a new holder in , installed new batt. and that now works.
That's all that has been done to it since it last worked.
My knowledge of computers I would say is confined to , installing hardware, memory upgrades, drives ect. not a total nubie. Both the floppy and IDE interface are onboard
I'm the original owner, and do have all disks ,and floppys that came with it


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#7
March 7, 2010 at 14:48:16
DAVEINCAPS
Yes it always does the same thing no matter what is connected
"eventually get an error message?"-----no
With nothing connected, POST shows nothing connected,
hhd--master---0
master slave---0
secondary master--0
ect., floppy does show error code 40, when it's not connected, open the BIOS, change setting to disabled, error no longer listed.
thanks for the help

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#8
March 7, 2010 at 14:57:48
DAVEINCAPS,
jz

if connect a different HD. it will detect that change and spec. out that drive. Also when it boots up even if there is a boot disk in the floppy drive, it goes right by it, always the same, I've tried a different floppy drive--same thing?


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#9
March 7, 2010 at 15:23:24
I can only generalize.

If it failed to work because of the battery then this would have reset BIOS to default. I've run into machines that need some BIOS setting changed from default to even boot (RAID settings, onboard -v- added cards, etc). The machine I'm typing on is a case in point - it won't boot if I reset BIOS because RAID is then enabled. BIOS boot priority settings would cause the floppy to be bypassed.

I would look carefully through every BIOS setting again (using Google as necessary) to make sure something doesn't need enabling or disabling. The fact that it stops on the sound card might be a clue, such as an onboard sound setting conflicting with an add-on SB card. Be systematic and note any changes you make. Sorry I can't be more definite.

some other bloke...


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#10
March 7, 2010 at 22:56:28
When you say ". . .installed new batt. and that now works." do you mean the battery works or do you mean that fixed the cursor-only problem?

Assuming you still have the problem, disconnect the floppy drive and leave the hard drive connected. Set the floppy drive to NONE in cmos/bios setup and disable the floppy controller (probably on a separate cmos page), just in case. That will rule out any possible floppy or floppy controller problem.

Derek mentions the sound card. You may want to just pull it out temporarily and see if that helps. As a matter of fact, that sounds more likely now than the floppy controller. But try both scenarios.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


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#11
March 8, 2010 at 14:52:21
DAVEINCAPS
Sorry for the confusion, yes the battery now works,and the internal clock now keeps correct time.
Yes I still have the cursor only problem.
I have pulled out all cards, with exception of the video, and hd. is still connected, disabled all floppy and disabled the floppy controller
now it only detects primary master---HD.
secondary master--CD Rom
cursor stops here and blinks.
The manual for this main board is on line and shows all settings for BIOS,pgs. 17-21-25--27-39-58-62-69-75-76 at the following address:
http://cit.wta.swin.edu.au/cit/subj...
I don't know if this would yeld any clues for anyone else?
Thanks for your help guys.

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#12
March 8, 2010 at 14:57:02
Derek,
I am going through the BIOS settings again, but so far any changes have not solved the problem
Thanks for your time and input

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#13
March 8, 2010 at 15:35:45
Did you ever try starting in Safe Mode (press F8 while booting to get menu)?

Re: BIOS
Under "3:Reconfiguring your Mainboard 3-3"
Is PNP OS set to Yes? (it should be).

One other long shot:
Remove all devices with edge connectors (RAM, Add-on cards etc). Clean the edge connectors with a pencil eraser and pop RAM/Cards in and out a few times to clear any oxide off the sockets. The on-screen symptoms don't fit too well but there is nothing lost by trying, and the machine has been laying around for some time. While you are there, ensure all cable connections are pressed home firmly.

some other bloke...


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#14
March 8, 2010 at 20:14:30
Derek
F8 doesn't do anything, it still goes goes to the same screen, and halts after the last detected device ( at present only HD. CD-ROM, and video are connected).
PNP OC is set to yes
Have cleaned all connectors, no change.
thanks Brian

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#15
March 8, 2010 at 23:20:59
It's getting to the point where the OS should start loading but it's hanging. I fixed that problem once (unless it was a coincidence) by booting with a floppy bootdisk and doing an fdisk/mbr to refresh the MBR on the hard drive.

Maybe you have two problems, one with the hard drive and one with the floppy drive or bootdisk. Do you have a known good floppy drive you can swap in? Check the condition of the data cables, especially the floppy cable. Make sure it's firmly seated on both the motherboard and drive ends. Then try booting with the bootdisk again. You should probably make a new bootdisk. I've had bootdisks hang when loading, especially when the floppy drive is less than perfect.

If you finally get it to boot from the bootdisk do the fdisk/mbr (and enter). Of course you'll need the hard drive attached for that. Then reboot without the bootdisk and see if it will boot from the hard drive.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


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#16
March 16, 2010 at 20:36:06
DAVEINCAPS
Derek
jz
Thanks to all for all the help, have tried all suggestions, have swapped drives,floppies, cables all results = no change . I think It's time to give this problem a rest. Should I ever come across a cure I'll post the results.
Again thanks to all
bw75

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#17
March 16, 2010 at 20:54:33
We'd appreciate it. These unresolved cases are irritating.

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#18
January 19, 2011 at 14:03:22
Im similar, bar it wont evensee the harddrives, either 80gb (I know thats pushing it!!!) or 15gb...

If I put in a 2gb as master and a 15 as slave it will work...


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#19
January 19, 2011 at 18:22:19
Best to start a new thread so more people will see it. And post your hardware specs and more details.

Real men don't use AntiVirus; they just reformat


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