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Name: Spoc
Date: July 8, 2004 at 11:30:53 Pacific
OS: Win95 EEK
CPU/Ram: 32 MB!
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Hi,

My better PC died yesterday (actually I killed it accidentally), and I am forced to work with a crummy old system for now. I can't upgrade it to even Win98, because of some very expensive proprietary software on it that I need for work, which isn't compatible. So, I will have some questions if you would be so kind, so that I can best ease into using this beast again...

**1] Is there some kind of maintenance/cleaning that can/should be done to the floppy drive? This one has always messed up floppies intermittently. Often a file created with it can't be opened and leads to error messages about cannot read or corrupted or something; and sometimes files created with it cannot be deleted -- will get message that permission isn't granted or something. None of it has to do with any settings I have chosen, because these things only happen sometimes. I do have a disk/data recovery program, but it is usually only able to recover limited "clusters."

2] Where in Win95 is the equivalent of Win98's Start > Run > msconfig utility, so that I can control what runs at startup; and in the system tray, etc?

3] How do I resize windows in Win95? I know how to drag them each time, but I mean permanently change them so that they fit my screen. Whether just running programs or browsing on the Internet, some windows don't fit my screen and sometimes a third of the toolbar options will be cut off, with *no* horizontal arrow at the bottom of the window to even scroll over to them! I just can't use them!!

*4] I would like to be able to use the USB external hard drive with it, that I bought recently for my dead unit. That ext. drive is backwards compatible (USB 2.0, but 1.1 workable). This old PC has no USB ports. My system info reads that I have only 1 parallel and 2 serial ports. I don't think that covers everything, because I do have more places to plug things in than that. But this generic PC is basic and built in maybe 1996, so we can assume it doesn't have much. How can I determine if there is an adaptor that will run my ext. drive with this PC? Does it sound like it probably doesn't have the "internals" to adapt to USB at all?

Thanks a ton for any help, I am pretty lost and hate to even have to learn something so regressive!



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Response Number 1
Name: sarahhh
Date: July 8, 2004 at 11:52:26 Pacific
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I have always been a Win95 user (never had a chance to upgrade!) so here's what I know:

1) For the floppy drive, I'd say replace it. a floppy drive like that sounds caput, and besides, floppy drives can be easily and cheaply bought (even second-hand) or salvaged from another computer.

2)I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any 'msconfig' utility. Win95 didn't ever come with one, I think. If you go to 'C:\Windows\Startup' there will be shortcuts there of all the programs that start up, so have a check there.

3) Unfortunately, I'm not an advanced enough user to figure the resizing problem.

4) Hate to say this, but don't bother trying to find a USB adapter for the computer. Windows 95 was created before USB was invented, so there was limited (if any) support of it. I've tried getting Windows 95 to recognize it to no avail.

Hope this helps.


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Response Number 2
Name: Spoc
Date: July 8, 2004 at 12:36:08 Pacific
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Yes Sarahhh, thanks! I guess I can't hold it against you that the answers can't be what I want them to be, ha ha! ;- )


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Response Number 3
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: July 8, 2004 at 13:41:34 Pacific
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As Sarahhh says, 95 didn't come with msconfig but the 98 version works just fine with 95. There's several places you can download it. Here's one:

Msconfig

Later versions of 95 has some USB support. You might check the USB add-on cards to see what minimum OS they require.


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Response Number 4
Name: jboy
Date: July 8, 2004 at 14:36:29 Pacific
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Regressive? Well, you don't have to use it.

Yes, USB support (of a kind) existed for 95B onwards, but add-in cards won't work.

Win95 resizes just like 98 - try maximizing the Window, some apps 'expect' a larger screen.

"because I do have more places to plug things in than that."

? Maybe so. Don't you know what kind of ports they are? Could be additional serial/parallel ports but not enabled in the BIOS or else there's a different board in that chassis now.

We have nothing against ideas. We're against people spreading them. - General Augusto Pinochet of Chile


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Response Number 5
Name: Spoc
Date: July 9, 2004 at 07:06:02 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks everyone! I'm still confused but that's just me!

If there may be some USB support if I have version 95B; but the card won't work; does that mean it will work without me needing a card? Or... ? Will I be in luck or S.O.L.? Anyone know what kind of data backup devices used to be used with the average machine of 1996? I'll be needing to back this system up too now and I don't trust floppies at all, too much random heartbreak in my lifetime, unrelated to a specific machine or floppy age/health.

Resizing the windows: I don't know how it was done in Win 98, because fortunately my last machine just always formatted them right for my screen (with occasionally needing to scroll on some web pages). THIS is a problem where virtually everything opens up too large for my screen; including when opening a program -- toolbar options and viewable area to the left will be completely cut off, with no scrollbar on the bottom to get over there. Even the minimize/maximize/close boxes up on the right hand corner will sometimes be cut off! Many things don't size right -- if I right click on a minimized program on the taskbar to close it that way; or right click to perform copy and paste somewhere; often the little mouse menu will open up too low on the screen, so that menu options are cut off! There has to be some universal setting that is wrong!

Ports: I may be able to figure out what type they are by surfing for diagrams... This is an inherited machine from an employer that went out of biz, so I never selected it or knew the specs of it. And it is generic -- no brand or company info on it whatsoever, and neither I nor anyone else knows where it was purchased from. On this one I may need to have someone examine it I guess, although I know of no one to do that... Know any web sites where there are extensive port illustrations?

While I'm at it, anyone know of sites where you can get recommendations on how best to keep Win 95 systems secure on the 'net in this day and age? I downloaded everything that sounded relevant on Microsoft's site, but they don't support this OS anymore so I assume I am a sitting duck for the super nasty spyware and vulnerability issues... Browser IE 5.5 and can't go higher w/ this OS... (FYI I did put on a firewall, AV, spybot, and spywareblaster. I have the default I.E. browsing settings on, with java set to high security and cookies to medium (not many other or advanced options in version 5.5. Anyway all that surely still isn't enough).

Happy Friday, hope to hear from y'all!


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Response Number 6
Name: Spoc
Date: July 9, 2004 at 07:23:20 Pacific
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OOOPs, re this:

"...THIS is a problem where virtually everything opens up too large for my screen; including when opening a program -- toolbar options and viewable area to the left will be completely cut off, with no scrollbar on the bottom to get over there...."

I meant my OTHER left -- as in my right. It is usually options on the right or bottom that get cut off. You can't even *get* to the edge to drag them smaller.

Hey, can an OS upgrade be undone if a program stops working? The real chance of losing one program in particular is why I'm not "allowed" to risk it. But if it's reversible...

That's an issue relative to that one program, but generally, please also remind me: *typically* an upgrade brings *all* existing software along with it, right? Not just Microsoft's own or something?

Sorry to add more questions, hope I didn't lose anyone in the process! :^ )


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Response Number 7
Name: jboy
Date: July 9, 2004 at 08:47:58 Pacific
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm not clear on what you're asking.

If your machine doesn't have USB slots built into the motherboard, doesn't have the USB option in the BIOS or isn't 95B or so, then you can't have USB support on that machine with that OS. USB add-in cards are not an option.

USB support under 95 was a bit flakey at best. A bit more info here

As far as ports, there are only so many kinds. USB looks like no other, PS2, serial and LPT are pretty standard, although you may have the old 25 pin serial for use with old hardware. Unless you have an integrated soundcard, what else is there? Ether card?
All will be in the BIOS, if actually present on your mobo.

For backups, best would be a 2nd hard drive, short of installing a burner (which might be problematic on a minimal system). Also network options (NIC or parallel port connection to another machine)

I use 95 almost exclusively - and Internet Explorer almost never (Opera) - my security issues are statistically zero. Of course, AV, HJT! and Spybot - just for peace of mind.

If you can't reach the titlebar to double-click to max a window, might consider Fanix Fullscreen - I find it indispensible.
Might consider changing the screen resolution, if possible - that might clear things up.

Not sure what type of OS upgrade you're proposing - conventional wisdom is to perform a clean install, but that's not a hard & fast rule. Depending, should have the option to reverse - although that's no guarantee.


We have nothing against ideas. We're against people spreading them. - General Augusto Pinochet of Chile


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Response Number 8
Name: sarahhh
Date: July 9, 2004 at 22:07:50 Pacific
Reply:

I'm glad my advice was of help!

Here's an idea for the resizing problem: Are you sure that it isn't the monitor that has to be resized? I have many machines with Windows 95, and their positions on the screen keep changing (from bootup to start screen to the actual OS). Try giving that a go and post back what you find.


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Response Number 9
Name: Spoc
Date: July 10, 2004 at 13:57:30 Pacific
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Jboy, thanks. I took down all your info and will see if I can get some guidance from some friend or acquaintance with it. I think I may be in over my head. Somehow as much as I love tinkering with PCs, and know more than the average person, I guess it's still not much. At least as far as inner workings and stuff. For example I guess I don't have the base terminology to make it clear what I was asking... I was asking how to know *if* mine is the type that can support limited USB. Besides the ports and w95 'B' version, I wasn't ruled out yet and I didn't know what else I'd need to have/look for. For example, what my BIOS supports or how to find out. I know nothing about BIOS, or add-on cards, so my level of understanding (and potentially misunderstanding) the principles being discussed was probably not clear. But your advice will be good to have on hand for digging further, and I will definitely check out your links. (I need my windows to be smaller and/or centered; not maximized/bigger; but maybe the program at your link will cover all sizing issues.)

Sarahhh, how would I adjust windows via the monitor? That I don't know how to do either! But I have had two monitors on this thing -- with both of them being "peers" with the computer as far as when they were originally built -- and this outsized and/or uncentered window problem has always existed. How do I check if it's the monitor? None of the knobs helped...

Thanks as always everyone! :^ )


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Response Number 10
Name: jboy
Date: July 10, 2004 at 14:21:02 Pacific
Reply:

With Win95, the best you can hope for would be limited USB support.

If your machine fails to meet any of the requirements outlined earlier, even that is beyond your grasp.

More simply, if it's not 95B and/or if you don't have any motherboard USB ports, you can't.

Fanix Fullscreen (among other things) allows you to grab a window and move it even if you can't see the title bar - although you could use the keyboard shortcut:

ALT-space and then M to move a window

What sarahhh and I are both suggesting (I believe) is that you change yur screen resolution to something larger - say 800x600 if you're currently running 640x480 - that would cause everything on the desktop to 'get small'

This may not be possible if your hardware doesn't support a higher res.


We have nothing against ideas. We're against people spreading them. - General Augusto Pinochet of Chile


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Response Number 11
Name: Spoc
Date: July 11, 2004 at 07:37:36 Pacific
Reply:

Good morning! No go yet (but read on for a possible clue...), and this morning I saw that there will be some outsized windows I can’t find a work-around for or use at all. This was the case before and after I tried your suggestions:

I changed resolution all the way to 1024 x 768, (and set it to recognize my particular monitor, tho this happened with another type too), but all it does is make the exact same phenomenon happen on a smaller scale. Now I just have a big solid-colored border on the right and bottom, outside the unreachable areas. Alt-space-M also just drags the same phenomenon bigger or smaller. (Having seen that, I assume there's no point in trying the suggested sizing program).

Anyway I tried to go to a website this morning and found I couldn't use it at all. On some sites, like this one, scroll bars are reachable on the right and bottom, so that I can still use them, although it's annoying because *no* web page is ever just centered right. On some others, no scroll bars are visible (and dragging doesn't change that), but I can arrow down to read the site. But now, I see that on others, neither of these will help.

It's like putting a fixed frame or bracket on a picture. Imagine if you had a web page or program open and all of it was perfectly viewable on your screen. THEN, you took a bracket or frame (with a toolbar and gray borders painted on it), and laid it on top of the window. So that (at least) the right-hand perimeter and sometimes the bottom of the page were chopped off. If you make the window bigger or smaller it makes no difference -- you just have a different *sized* instance of a window with a bracket laid over it so that you can't reach things.

On the site in question, all I could do was read the area that opened right in front of my face. No scroll bars in view; couldn't read anything towards the right or the bottom; arrow or page down didn't do anything; alt-space-m and dragging only change the size of the problem. It's my window borders themselves that are laying on top of the pages wrong and chopping things off, just like a frame on a picture would do (and with as many options for viewing what the frame is covering). It's like what's *inside* the 'bracket' needs to get smaller—it doesn’t match with the border size (but also sometimes the border itself is cut off! And all this happens only on *some* programs and web pages).

There is some kind of program installed on this computer called “S3 Refresh” or “S3 Color Control.” I wonder if that could have something to do with it, because its tab appears in Control Panel > Display, and in addition to the Settings tab, it also displays screen resolution sizes. It has slots for sizes from 640 x 480 to 1600 x 1200 (although under Settings the max is 1024 x 768). Each slot is set to Optimum, but the choices are listed in hz, like 60 hz and up; and also choices for Adapter Default and a few with (e.g.) 43 hz Interlaced. When I tried changing my Setting to 1024 x 768, first I left all those slots at Optimum, then I tried Adapter Default, and neither helped. Beyond that I have no idea what the other choices mean (and each requires restart....). Does this give any clues?

Sorry to go on and on but I want to be sure I convey exactly what this looks like and what is happening! Crossing my fingers that someone will have another thing I can try? Thanks for hanging in there!


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Response Number 12
Name: Spoc
Date: July 11, 2004 at 08:09:39 Pacific
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P.S.: This S3 Color Control/Refresh thing is located in C:/windows/system, and this is *all* it says when I click on its little purple Help book icon:

"S3 Color Control Help

The S3 Color Control program controls in this dialog box allow you to adjust the Hue, Saturation, Brightness and Contrast for YUV video overlays. YUV video overlays are often used when playing MPG files."

There is *no* further info, and no controls for it beyond what I described in my last post as appearing in Control Panel > Display. No option to just try turning it off -- I only see an Add/Remove Program option for it in Control Panel. On its Control Panel > Display tab, the only things displayed are those resolution size slots, then a Change Configuration button, which is how you change what's in those slots (e.g. hz, as described previously).


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Response Number 13
Name: jboy
Date: July 11, 2004 at 08:41:14 Pacific
Reply:

Ok - I wasn't 'getting' what you were describing.

This occurs in all or most windows?

Purely spec, but it could be a problem with the common controls.

If you have it, might try M$ TweakUI and under 'repair' select - 'repair system files' to see if that helps.


We have nothing against ideas. We're against people spreading them. - General Augusto Pinochet of Chile


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Response Number 14
Name: Spoc
Date: July 11, 2004 at 10:19:44 Pacific
Reply:

It only happens with some windows, but not randomly to the *same* programs -- either a given program is always right or always wrong. Like Microsoft programs (e.g. Office) seem to display right (but IE doesn't, if that can even be called a program). Not sure if all MS progs would, and other manufacturer's stuff often doesn't. As far as browser windows, none of those ever open so that all areas are viewable, although *sometimes* the controls to navigate to them are in reach.

Maybe there are actually two separate issues involved, because this is how it appears to break down:

When it happens with programs, the right hand side and/or bottom of the windows are actually cut off by the edge of the monitor screen. Nothing can be done about it, and dragging the left hand side only enlarges the left hand side, but brings nothing else into view.

When it happens with browser windows, the entire 'bracket' around the window is in view; it's the page contained within it that is too big and is cut off around the edges, with nothing being effective and/or reachable to bring those areas into view (scroll, arrow, tab, drag, alt-space-m, etc.).

I'll go look at the Tweak site. Maybe if I can't tell if my problem is addressed in its capabilities or not, I'll try emailing them and hope they respond. I've put this thing through a lot over the last few days guessing about how to shape it up, some of it probably unwise, and should be conservative now (but none of that caused *this* problem. It has always existed as far as I know, and I inherited this used machine in 2001 myself).

Thanks, hoping Tweak does the trick! :^ )


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Response Number 15
Name: jboy
Date: July 11, 2004 at 10:36:36 Pacific
Reply:

TweakUI is a useful application - once and a while, M$ does things right - but it can only do so much. The fixes it offers are things you could do yourself, if you had the knowledge and patience.

Email them? Sure... I guess.

Sometimes installing new software will overwrite Windows system files with older versions. I'm guessing this has happened to your 'common controls' which determine how windows are displayed.

If that's not it - well, no harm - it's still a good app.


We have nothing against ideas. We're against people spreading them. - General Augusto Pinochet of Chile


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Response Number 16
Name: Spoc
Date: July 12, 2004 at 12:54:29 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, I didn't realize when I last posted that Tweak was a M$ program -- forget the part about emailing them! And I see that the program specifically says it never was supported, just a frill. I was thinking it was a paid utility from some other manufacturer. I guess I could hunt down a forum where people talk about Tweak, but will probably just go for it soon.

Your speculation about what happened to my 'controls' sounds logical. There will probably be no making real sense of this thing anymore. Just toying with the Control Panel > Settings > color and screen size displays was making it behave very strangely and threateningly.

Here's an unrelated question: I found that there are Start item controls in Spybot, so was experimenting with turning some off to ease the pressure on my old 'friend.' Recall that this was an inherited office computer, which had other original users and was on a network at times. Tons of remnants of unused and mysterious old programs remain, and I have taken off what I could figure out. I see that there were still 19 start entries for RunOnce, not pointing to particular programs in the viewable areas of the entry lines but just to places like c:\programs... followed by c:\windows\system... I turned them all off, and I'm still running. I'm not a developer or anything, just word processing, emailing and net browsing really. From what I read on the web, it looks like those kind of entries don't need to be there unless you just Add/Removed or installed something. But mine stayed there after reboots with no changes made... Would you guess that they were probably things I didn't need? (I know there is RunOnce-related spyware, but I'm not looking that far yet... Not all diagnostics run on Win 95 and what minimal I've tried said clear...)

Pushing my luck even more (I think you may have replied on a firewall thread of mine before my other computer died): I put sygate's free firewall on this machine for good measure, tho I connect via dial up now. I think it is just never going to play nicely with it. Most freezes and crashes came back up with something about sygate's file allocation size being complained of in my Norton scandisk-type utility. So -- is ZA 4.5 likely to be more universally simple and friendly (I know there are too many problems with 5.x versions right now). Or is there another good, small, free one you'd recommend?

Thanks, if you're still there! :^ )


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Response Number 17
Name: jboy
Date: July 12, 2004 at 13:14:21 Pacific
Reply:

Well, it is just spec on my part concerning your problem with Windows.. er, windows - but that doesn't sound like 'normal' behaviour.

Sure, it doesn't hurt to use msconfig, Spybot or any of the other apps to reduce startup clutter - as long as you don't disable anything important.

Also useful is jv16 Power Tools - freeware version available from OldVersion or the standalone RegCleaner

Now I use the registry cleaner in Fix-It Utilities, but it's a commercial product - as well, the latest version requires 98 (I think)

Don't have a lot of experience with firewalls - they are a must-have if you're on broadband though.

ZA, enjoys a good reputation (at least, until v5), but can be a bear to uninstall sometimes.
Tiny is also reputed to be good, but perhaps not as 'user friendly' - check with S&V, those folks will be more familiar.


We have nothing against ideas. We're against people spreading them. - General Augusto Pinochet of Chile


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Response Number 18
Name: Spoc
Date: July 13, 2004 at 08:49:31 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for everything, and yep, will post new threads on some of the peripheral stuff for good measure! :^ )


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Response Number 19
Name: jboy
Date: July 13, 2004 at 08:55:52 Pacific
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Hope you get everything setup to your satisfaction.

good luck


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