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Name: Ben
Date: April 11, 2002 at 16:15:25 Pacific
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Would it increase the speed of my 486 if I installed a daughter board, Thanks



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Response Number 1
Name: kj
Date: April 11, 2002 at 17:52:20 Pacific
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no, only a faster cpu, or more memory and /or a faster rpm harddrive will spped up a computer. and, you will never increase the speed of a 486 to where you completely happy with it.

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Response Number 2
Name: PC Freak
Date: April 11, 2002 at 20:38:25 Pacific
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I've got a 80486 133Mhz 32MB RAM that I'm happy with...


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Response Number 3
Name: Michael
Date: April 11, 2002 at 21:24:35 Pacific
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Freak,

Are you sure that's a 133 mhz? Does it have an overdrive package? I thought 486s maxed out at DX4100s... Not true?

Ben,

Just curious, what do you mean by a daughter board? Do you mean a math coprocessor? If that's what you mean, then yes it will increase the speed for certain programs that actually use the functions of the coprocessor (which is suprisingly not a lot, unless you use something like CAD software). Also some programs REQUIRE a math coprocessor, so it will allow you to run more programs if you have one.

Again, this is if your interpreting a daughterboard as a math coprocessor. To me a daughterboard is an expansion board you plug into the motherboard that allows you to have more expansion ports, but that's just what I've always called them.

-Michael



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Response Number 4
Name: PC Freak
Date: April 11, 2002 at 21:56:32 Pacific
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Yeah, it says "133Mhz CPU Clock" at startup. Everything thing I've seen says it's a 486, the chips inside say 486, Windows 95 says 486, etc. Although during startup, it does says something about processor type being 5 x 86. But everything else says 486. Somewhere it also said AMD K/5, is that different from a 486? This PC isn't quite as fast as my brother's Pentium 133Mhz.


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Response Number 5
Name: Michael
Date: April 12, 2002 at 06:08:08 Pacific
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Oh ok... Yes it is NOT a 486. Windows identifies all Pentium I class non Intel chips as 486s (for instance, I have a PC with a 200 Mhz Cyrix chip that windows 95 identifies as a 486). Technically a K/5 is a pentium class processor.

-Michael


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Response Number 6
Name: PC Freak
Date: April 12, 2002 at 10:54:29 Pacific
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Oh... I see... It's still slower that my brother's Pentium 133Mhz, though. I wonder why it says 486 on the inside then? Maybe I was looking at the wrong thing.


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Response Number 7
Name: k_semler
Date: April 12, 2002 at 17:50:27 Pacific
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Actally, AMD did make a 133MHZ 486. I belive it was produced in 1994. but Intel only made 486's up to the speed of 100MHZ. I prefer AMD because of the speed over Intel.


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Response Number 8
Name: ibor132
Date: April 12, 2002 at 18:35:49 Pacific
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Actually, Intel DID make 486-133s. They were DX4 chips, and had a limited production run. And I know this for sure because I have one. =)


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Response Number 9
Name: PC Freak
Date: April 12, 2002 at 20:11:27 Pacific
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That's what I was thinking... I just remembered that someone else I know has a PC that says "CPU type 80486" (not exact wording) and "132Mhz CPU clock" at startup.


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Response Number 10
Name: moflash
Date: April 13, 2002 at 03:35:38 Pacific
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Sounds like a upgrade cpu?...most likily a turbo chip? Mine posts 486@132/133 (depends on turbo on/off(?)) Windows sees it as 486 ,but I think it was SAW that saw it as amd586 at 133. I need to look again...I think that I ran something in DOS/or3x that told me that it was clocking actually @128.


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Response Number 11
Name: rinpocse
Date: April 13, 2002 at 05:37:43 Pacific
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I also have one CPU like that.

That is actually a 486 chip. (Architecture, fits in instead of any 486 chip.)

But, as for performance it runs on 133 Mhz (there is also a 160 Mhz version). What is special, that it multiplies by 4. (and has more cache, tha other 486s) ("standard" Intel 486s multiply by 3 - a DX4 100 Mhz 33x3). It is 4x33 Mhz. (160 Mhz: 4x40 Mhz).

Its proper name is AMD 5x86. But its not a Pentium yet. The 133 Mhz one is called AMD 5x86 P75S, which means it runs like a 75 Mhz Intel Pentium.

Bios may say, it is an 5x86, other test programs and Windows say it is a 486 (and it is more that, than a P.). The situation is similar with the Cyrix 5x86, which is a version of the 6x86 for the 486 socket, running at 100-120 Mhz)


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Response Number 12
Name: walter de groot
Date: April 13, 2002 at 09:12:02 Pacific
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nnpocse is correct and exact
I had 2 amd 5x86 boards
both also had pci slots one even had a vlb slot and 72 pin ram slots.
amd also made a 486-120 ( 40 mhx x3)
the 5x86 ( 133 was 33 x 4 )
the intel dx4-100 was 33 x3 ( not 4)

some boards would run the 486-133 at 40 x 40 mine would not.
i think cyrix made a chip faster than 100 mhz but it's hard to tell as they used a deceptive " pr" rating.

one of the difficulties with the 5x86 ( 133) chip was lack of motherboard support
the m-tech r-418 required a bios upgrade and jumper settings from the manufacturer's web site or it would only work as a 100 or 120.
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the dx9700 (m919) had a non-flashable bios
but supported the 5x86 without upgrades.
it was an inter4esting but basically a cheap board.
many who did not have support on their boards, used an "interposer" ( adapter)
to provide the 3.3v and other things required by older 486 motherboards
the "speed up" kits would work in most boards that had a 33 mhz clock setting
and you may still see them around.
the price was very high and it is more economical to get a faster board
wdegroot@ptd.net


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Response Number 13
Name: moflash
Date: April 13, 2002 at 16:23:42 Pacific
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Ok, just to confirm some #s on my turboChip puter.
Bios says Am486DX-Plus 132 mhz
HEINFO sees as AMD am5x86 134 mhz

The mobo is a generic Vesa. The jumpers are well marked...besides sx/dx/dx2/amd, there are jumper settings for dx-sl, p24d, cx486sx, cx486dx, and umc. Am I stuck @133mhz or do I still have some options?

what are these?
p24d? umc??

Walter, I think that the costs of upgrading the board vs. cpu (at least as far as TurboChip otion) has leveled out. I got my Kinston TC on ebay for $14.00. I think they retailed above $100 just a few years ago. It made this (almost)useless box useful again.


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Response Number 14
Name: Soedesh
Date: April 15, 2002 at 15:55:07 Pacific
Reply:

Uhh dont know what the original post was anymore, but let me contribute to this posting by saying: I have an AMD 586DX 133 (P75S) too.
Its correct that this is basically a 486 (socket 3) that runs at 133 Mhz.
Although I have the processor I can confirm its hard too find a (socket 3) motherboard that supports it!
After experimenting with some mainboards and jumpersettings I am currently running it at 150 Mhz (at least it says ;-)!
Its not so stable though, since Windows 9x refuses to install at this speed!
Luckily DOS/Windows 3.1x does run!


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Response Number 15
Name: ACURA
Date: April 28, 2002 at 09:24:17 Pacific
Reply:

OVERCLOCK THAT THING!


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