Dear... I have windows 3.11 (wfw) set up so that I can log onto my isp, however my version of Netscape does not seem to work. (This software was provided to me circa 1997 by my isp.) Is there a (free) software package available that I can use with windows 3.11 to dial into my isp, containing a minimal browser and mail package? Thanks, John

get some other version of netscape with a built in dialer, or get trumpit winsock.

Yup, there sure is..unfortunately, only the cdrom versions of netscape come with a dialer.. Internet explorer 3.03 does come with a dialer,and it's actually pretty much the same one that is on the netscape cd's, by ShivaPPP The general advice i've seen is to do a custom install and select just the dialer (if thats what you want) , but i've tried that, and several essential dialer files were missing..however,since your also looking for a mail client anyways, just install the whole IE303 package (i'ts about the same installed size as a netscape 3 install), and it has an internet mail component, the web browser , and the dialer. Even though the browser and mail client aren't nearly as good as netscape's, the dialer is superb,and much easier to setup and use than trumpet... I'd recommend keeping the netscape install though, (provided it's at least 3, preferably 3.04), as it's going to be a lot faster , and more stable and covers more sites than IE303, as long as you disable JavaScript in network preferences (it'll crash netscape 3).. The link for the IE3 browser is at lightspeed's page... Http://www.oldstuff.myagora.net/lightspeed/dlful30f.exe or if it's busy you can try pcfreak's site... http://home.comcast.net/~pcfreak42/pcfwebzone/16bitweb.htm

Thanks IBM Warpster, for the suggestion. Dominicus - Yes that sounds like a good idea. You can see that I'm ram challenged, so this should do it. John

"Yup, there sure is..unfortunately, only the cdrom versions of netscape come with a dialer." Sorry, dominicus, but that's not quite accurate, as the Netscape I got from my ISP (at the time), including the dialer, came on diskettes. Also, the IE 3.03 I received didn't come with a dialer (later on, but same ISP, this time on a CD). I have also had success with Trumpet Winsock. It's powerful and flexible. Good luck.

well, thers only one version of win31 IE 3 that doesn't come with a dialer, and that's the minimum install version specifically for lans..(3.02, i think , and it has min in the name) I should have said, re netscape, that only the commercial versions of netscape came with a dialer, as opposed to the freely distributed downloadable ones (netscape wasn't always free).. If your isp had a commercial version, it would have had the netscape branded shivappp dialer...most ISP's included a dialer of some sort on the disks though, and you may have had a different one, i don't know...the netscape one installs at the same time as the browser install, and sets up the account before netscape's install closes. That an isp would actually supply a copy of IE without a dialer is nuts, as the whole point of ISP's supplying software is so you can dial into their service....! The link for IE i gave though does have a dialer...it's pretty tough to find the one without it (as i found out when trying to find it for an nt3 install, which fails if the dialer's included)

Always make sure you visit: http://www.wown.com/ when networking Wfw or Win3x.