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Windows 3.11 - loading 1.7 MB file

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Name: nwheeler1248
Date: January 3, 2005 at 21:07:50 Pacific
OS: Windows 3.11
CPU/Ram: 249 MB
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have an old Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 3.11. I use it mainly for word processing. I just bought some research software (Ethnograph) and want to transfer it from my wife's fancy new Gateway to my Toshiba. I have a flash memory stick and hoped to use that. I bought a PS2-USB adaptor, but Windows 3.11 doesn't seem to recognize any USB device (including the flash memory) I plug into it. Since I bought it second-hand years ago, the Toshiba has never connected to the internet. I'm not computer-literate enough to know whether it's a hardware or a software problem. To achieve my goal of loading my Ethnograph software onto my Toshiba, should I focus on: 1) Connecting to the internet, so I can send myself an email attachment? (Will I need to zip and unzip, and can Windows 3.11 support that? The total file size is about 32.5 MB.) 2) Finding a software and / or hardware solution to enabling my flash memory to work by connecting to the PS2/USB adaptor I bought? 3) Finding and buying a few 2.88 MB 3-1/2" floppies and using them to transfer the files? (The largest individual file is 1.71 MB. But will the floppy drive in my Toshiba read a 2.88 MB floppy?) For any of these three strategies that seems to have some hope, all specific tactical suggestions will be deeply appreciated!

Norton Wheeler



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Response Number 1
Name: jboy
Date: January 3, 2005 at 21:47:09 Pacific
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USB support - if possible - would be done through DOS. Drivers have been developed, but their compatibility is not always certain.


You can have a look but I don't know how feasible it would be.

Sure, you could use regular floppies (quite a few) and split or span the files - 1.44Mb can even be formatted as 1.7 (DMF).

Yes, (of course) you can unzip files in Windows or DOS - you do know you have DOS, right?

To use 2.88Mb floppies, you would need a (hardware) 2.88Mb floppy drive.

Under DOS you could transfer the files via a LPT connection between the two computers - I'm not sure how that would work if the one machine is running XP though, likely need an XP application

Drop the last year into the silent limbo of the past. Let it go, for it was imperfect, and thank God that it can go.


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Response Number 2
Name: T-R-A
Date: January 3, 2005 at 22:54:22 Pacific
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Ditto to everything jboy said, but more importantly, are you even sure that the Ethnograph software will even work on your Toshiba? Very little software developed in the past few years will work under Win3.1 (and I'm assuming by the 32.5MB size of the file(s) you wish to install that it's reasonably current software)

If you're sure it would work, then, as a cheap and dirty solution, you could use WinZip to span a set of floppies (approx 20-25 of them) and an older version of WinZip for Win3.1 to recover them on your drive...


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Response Number 3
Name: jboy
Date: January 3, 2005 at 23:11:11 Pacific
Reply:

Very good point.

For sure, consult the system requirements - it's highly doubtful modern software will work with anything less than Win9x

Drop the last year into the silent limbo of the past. Let it go, for it was imperfect, and thank God that it can go.


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Response Number 4
Name: rogerashley
Date: January 4, 2005 at 00:18:30 Pacific
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File transfer software:

http://www.laplink.com/products/

They supports DOS to Windows.

USB support first and foremost must be a BIOS call, secondly using an USB adapter requires the software for the O/S. As far as I am aware W3.x never had such software support.

If you need DOS USB support and your BIOS supports see:

http://www.mwpms.uklinux.net/usbfire.htm



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Response Number 5
Name: rogerashley
Date: January 4, 2005 at 00:20:51 Pacific
Reply:

WinImage version 5 can format Floppies to various sizes:

http://www.winimage.com/download.htm


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Response Number 6
Name: El-Trucha
Date: January 8, 2005 at 17:57:34 Pacific
Reply:

Or u could use www.yousendit.com if u ever can connect 2 the Internet... :)

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx


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Response Number 7
Name: nwheeler1248
Date: January 14, 2005 at 00:01:04 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks to all who replied. You might like to hear the outcome. I found and bought a USB adaptor, only to confirm that Windows 3.11 has no software to support USB, regardless of the capability of making a mechanical connection. Next, through an email exchange with a helpful LapLink customer service person, I determined that they have no product that would let me copy individual files onto my old Toshiba laptop (with its Window 3.11 operating system). Finally, I downloaded a demo version of WinZip 6.3 to my wife's Gateway computer (with Widnows XP), copied it to a FD (total file size < 1.4 MB), used the FD to install WinZip onto my Toshiba, zipped my Ethnograph files that I had on my wifes computer (the 1.7 files were now below 1.0 MB), and successfully loaded them onto my Toshiba. Success! I'm going to buy a real version of WinZip 6.3, mostly out of gratitude. (Now, I'm only dealing with the anomaly of screen color reversal, apparently caused by Chinese electricity. The reversal manifests itself differently in my Ethnograph software than it does in my Microsoft applications, and I haven't found a fix for the former. So, I'm content myself with typing white on a gray background.) NW

Norton Wheeler


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Response Number 8
Name: jboy
Date: January 14, 2005 at 09:34:46 Pacific
Reply:

Ok - well, as had been explained, USB is problematic at best under DOS.

Also - PS2 to USB adapter? Never going to work - that's for mice, basically.

Win31 is not an OS

At any rate, glad you enjoyed some success, and that your software was compatible with the old Win


I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?


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Response Number 9
Name: T-R-A
Date: January 14, 2005 at 20:18:09 Pacific
Reply:

Glad it all worked out. WinZip has been a life-saver in many instances. I used it many years ago to install Win95 from CD to a Compaq LTE 4/25E (which had no CD), and developed a real appreciation for what it could do (albeit somewhat awkwardly)...


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