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VGA 16 or 256?

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Name: NN
Date: May 13, 2002 at 12:53:33 Pacific
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Is a VGA laptop display 16 colors or 256 colors? I saw a post that said that VGA is 256 colors, but my display could only display 16 colors. Why? Is some VGA 16 colors and some 256 colors?



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Response Number 1
Name: bob b
Date: May 13, 2002 at 14:10:55 Pacific
Reply:

It depends on how old the laptop is,
And what drivers you use,
Are you sure your laptop is using the right one?
If you don’t have the manual for it then go to Google
Type in make, model and try to find the laptop Spec.


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Response Number 2
Name: Hal
Date: May 13, 2002 at 14:14:40 Pacific
Reply:

VGA is 16 Colours - SVGA is 256 Colours

Once you have checked the specs, you may need a 256 SVGA Graphics Driver.

HTH


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Response Number 3
Name: Soedesh
Date: May 13, 2002 at 15:44:33 Pacific
Reply:

VGA is 320x200 8 bits (256) colors...
Its possible your VGA can only display 16 colors in 640x480.

Although there does exist a (generic) 320x200 driver for Windows 3.1x that has 256 colors its not recommended because most applications require higher resolution.


If your laptop VGA cannot display 256 colors in higher resolution than 320x200 this is what you can do:

If you want to view good pictures in high quality I recommend the DOS viewer called DVPEG.
Unlike Windows this program can display good quality pictures with only 4 bit (16) colors...

If you still want too try the 320x200 256 color driver, check my previous post about that to find it.
Its possible to install Windows 3.1x 2 times on your system
(just rename WIN.COM temporarily).
The first installation has 640x480 16 colors and the second one with the 320x200 256 color driver.
The applications that dont work well with the last one can be removed from that Windows installation...


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Response Number 4
Name: Andrew Ordo
Date: May 13, 2002 at 19:45:52 Pacific
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> VGA is 16 Colours - SVGA is 256 Colours

I just love mis-information!

(VGA can certainly display 256 colors--if the display adapter in question has enough memory for it. A lot of old VGA display adapters didn't display more than 16 colors simply because they didn't have sufficient memory for the higher color depth--it had nothing to do with VGA.)


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Response Number 5
Name: IBM486dx33
Date: May 14, 2002 at 01:36:34 Pacific
Reply:

Hiya all,
If i can remember correctlty
CGA is 4 colours
EGA is 16
VGA is 256
SVGA is god knows how many


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Response Number 6
Name: Hal
Date: May 14, 2002 at 06:51:13 Pacific
Reply:

You got me here - Sorry I did mean EGA = 16 and VGA = 256 but I screwed up big time

SORRY


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Response Number 7
Name: Old Jake
Date: May 14, 2002 at 08:17:53 Pacific
Reply:

Compaq Contura 486-25 has a 640x480 screen with enough video memory (512kB) to run at 256 colors, with the correct drivers. If you don't do graphics, games or the Web, you'd not really see the need for more than 16 colors.



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Response Number 8
Name: Hal
Date: May 14, 2002 at 11:11:50 Pacific
Reply:

For the Compaq Contura 400 Series drivers visit this page:

http://www.compaq.com/support/files/contura/us/locate/1_878.html

(This page also has PCMCIA Drivers if you need them)

They also have a Western Digital WD24A2 Display Driver for your laptop version:

http://www.compaq.com/support/files/contura/us/download/8484.html

HTH


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Response Number 9
Name: NN
Date: May 14, 2002 at 20:34:54 Pacific
Reply:

I have a Toshiba T1900 with 486 20Mhz, 210MB HD, 4MB Ram. It was manufactured sometime late in '92. Isn't exactly the best laptop even in it's time. Since I bought it in as a used laptop i don't have any manuals. Does any one know how many colors it can display?


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Response Number 10
Name: Old Jake
Date: May 16, 2002 at 02:13:02 Pacific
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Use a diagnostic and find out the amount of video memory. If it's 256kB you've got 16 color VGA max. If it's 512kB you can get 256 colors if you can find the driver.

I mentioned the Compaq (1993?) as an example of a laptop that only just has the 256 color capability, though back then not many users would've needed a laptop with more than 16 colors. I only did when I wanted to use it on the Net, and the machine is less reliable in that configuration.



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Response Number 11
Name: Hal
Date: May 16, 2002 at 08:48:21 Pacific
Reply:

It would seem that Toshiba T1900 came with 4 or 8MBs as standard. So you should have no problems with higher colors.

Found this site via a Google search which may be of interest to you:

The Ultimate Unofficial 486 Toshiba FAQ?
http://home.att.net/~ronkar/toshiba.html


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Response Number 12
Name: NN
Date: May 16, 2002 at 11:24:10 Pacific
Reply:

Just found out from the specs that T1900 could only display 16 colors in 640x480 mode.

Thanks all.


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Response Number 13
Name: Soedesh
Date: May 16, 2002 at 16:44:25 Pacific
Reply:

I have seen at least one VGA card with 256 Kb
which has a Windows 3.1x driver for 600x400 256 colors.
It was from Western Digital.

Other resolutions at 256 colors are possible indeed with less then 512 Kb, (they are called Tweaked VGA resolutions), but there simply is no Windows driver available.

Some DOS picture viewers can display also in 256 colors with non standard resolutions.....


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Response Number 14
Name: Old Jake
Date: May 16, 2002 at 16:52:30 Pacific
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Hal: the machine's RAM is not the same as the video memory. Do a Google for Video RAM.


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Response Number 15
Name: ACURA
Date: May 17, 2002 at 08:01:51 Pacific
Reply:

Well, Andrew Ordo is
right.

EGA/CGA I believe is
monochrome and can only display 2 or
16 colors.

VGA can display 256
colors, but I don't think it can go any
higher than that.

SVGA can go from
16 colors to 16 Million Colors, or True
Color, which is not supported
under Windows 3.1.

Your laptop might need certain drivers for
it to work under 256 colors.

A
CURA


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Response Number 16
Name: ACURA
Date: May 17, 2002 at 08:03:40 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry bout the previous post.


ACURA


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Response Number 17
Name: Don Pedro
Date: May 25, 2002 at 21:22:37 Pacific
Reply:

Since there seems to be some confusion as to who knows what, allow me to clear up something.
The term "VGA" has become a word like "Kleenex". It is often used by laymen to describe any standard color monitor, like any type of facial tissues are often called generically, "Kleenex" even though we know they are other brands.
Its easier to remember VGA than SVGA, XGA, SXGA, UXGA, etc., which almost no manufacturer uses to refer to it's display anymore. Preferring now "Full Color" or "True Color" and lines of resolution which get more to the point.
Allow me to refer you to this from:

http://whatis.techtarget.com
(display modes)

The term display mode refers to the characteristics of a computer display, in particular the maximum number of colors and the maximum image resolution (in pixels horizontally by pixels vertically). There are several display modes that can be found in personal computer (PC) systems today.

The earliest displays for personal computers were monochrome monitors that were used in word processors and text-based computer systems in the 1970s. In 1981, IBM introduced the Color Graphics Adapter (CGA). This display system was capable of rendering four colors, and had a maximum resolution of 320 pixels horizontally by 200 pixels vertically. While CGA was all right for simple computer games such as solitaire and checkers, it did not offer sufficient image resolution for extended sessions of word processing, desktop publishing, or sophisticated graphics applications.

In 1984, IBM introduced the Enhanced Graphics Adapter (EGA) display. It allowed up to 16 different colors and offered resolution of up to 640 x 350. This improved the appearance over earlier displays, and made it possible to read text easily. Nevertheless, EGA did not offer sufficient image resolution for high-level applications such as graphic design and desktop publishing. This mode has become essentially obsolete, although it is sometimes found in old word processors and PCs in private homes.

In 1987, IBM introduced the Video Graphics Array (VGA) display system. This has become the accepted minimum standard for PCs. Some VGA monitors are still in use today. The maximum resolution depends on the number of colors displayed. You can choose between 16 colors at 640 x 480, or 256 colors at 320 x 200. All IBM-compatible computers support the VGA standard.

In 1990, IBM intoduced the Extended Graphics Array (XGA) display as a successor to its 8514/A display. A later version, XGA-2 offers 800 x 600 pixel resolution in true color (16 million colors) and 1024 x 768 resolution in 65,536 colors. These two image resolution levels are perhaps the most popular in use today by individuals and small businesses.

The Video Electronics Standards Assocation (VESA) has established a standard programming interface for Super Video Graphics Array (SVGA) displays, called the VESA BIOS Extension. Typically, an SVGA display can support a palette of up to 16,000,000 colors, although the amount of video memory in a particular computer may limit the actual number of displayed colors to something less than that. Image-resolution specifications vary. In general, the larger the diagonal screen measure of an SVGA monitor, the more pixels it can display horizontally and vertically.

Recently, new specifications have arisen. These include Super Extended Graphics Array (SXGA) and Ultra Extended Graphics Array (UXGA). The SXGA specification is generally used in reference to screens with 1280 x 1024 resolution; UXGA refers to a resolution of 1600 by 1200. Nowadays, the older specifications (VGA and SVGA) are often used
simply in reference to their typical resolution capabilities.

A driver

A driver is a program that interacts with a particular device or special (frequently optional) kind of software. The driver contains the special knowledge of the device or special software interface that programs using the driver do not. In personal computers, a driver is often packaged as a dynamic link library (DLL) file.

video adapter

A video adapter (also called a display adapter or video board) is an integrated circuit card in a computer or, in some cases, a monitor that provides digital-to-analog conversion, video RAM, and a video controller so that data can be sent to a computer's display. Today, almost all displays and video adapters adhere to a common denominator de facto standard, Video Graphics Array (VGA). VGA describes how data - essentially red, green, blue data streams - is passed between the computer and the display. It also describes the frame refresh rates in hertz. It also specifies the number and width of horizontal lines, which essentially amounts to specifying the resolution of the pixels that are created. VGA supports four different resolution settings and two related image refresh rates.
In addition to VGA, most displays today adhere to one or more standards set by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA). VESA defines how software can determine what capabilities a display has. It also identifies resolutions setting beyond those of VGA. These resolutions include 800 by 600, 1024 by 768, 1280 by 1024, and 1600 by 1200 pixels.


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Response Number 18
Name: brian
Date: July 15, 2002 at 11:04:24 Pacific
Reply:

i just bought a chinese laptop it called "NB-150C" not sure what it is, but its runing win3.1 (everything in chinese) and some of the software i installed said need 256 color or higher.

any ideas or comments about this?


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