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Name: Stepho999
Date: August 4, 2003 at 07:05:09 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: Athlon XP 1800
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I'm trying to set up a home office network between WFW3.11 on a 386/33 and XP Pro on an Athlon XP1800 system using LAN10/100 cards. The ultimate aim is to be able to use the 386 to share the broadband connection via the XP Pro system.

I've got as far as installing the drivers for the network card & TCP/IP on WFW. If I enable auto detect for DHCP in TCP/IP configuration I get a blue screen on restart saying it can not detect an IP address for the DCHP server. The card appears to be working OK as I can see steady green light by the RJ45.

Have also tried following some tutorials on www.wown.com but still couldn't get things to work. Any help or pointers much appreciated!


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Response Number 1
Name: Hmmm
Date: August 4, 2003 at 12:43:18 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
Reply: (edit)

Is the Xp firewall disabled on the Xp lan-properties-advance tab?


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Response Number 2
Name: Chad
Date: August 4, 2003 at 15:18:17 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
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I don't know if you need it but on 3.11 i have netbeui and tcp/ip installed and also on xp.

If using tcp/ip and netbeui together on 3.11 they need to be installed on both computers or it won't work.

I have successfuly shared dial up access using xp's ics. Also what browser are you using. I have it working on both netscape 4.08 and ie 5.

Sometimes if you are using a hub or switch you need to unplug it for a minuite to reset the hub or switch. If directly connecting between the lan of xp computer and 3.11 or any two computers you will need a crossover cable. If using a hub just standard cables will work.

SUMMARY of installing netbeui on xp

Microsoft has discontinued support for the NetBIOS Extended User Interface (NetBEUI) network protocol in Windows XP. However, it is understandable that migration to another network protocol, such as TCP/IP could involve significant time in planning and testing. Therefore, for those who are planning to migrate your system environment to Windows XP by obtaining the full, retail-released version of Windows XP, the NetBEUI protocol can be found on the Windows XP CD-ROM under the VALUEADD directory.

This article describes the process for manually installing the unsupported NetBEUI protocol on a computer running Windows XP. The NetBEUI files will need to be manually copied from the Windows XP CD-ROM before NetBEUI will show up in the list of installable network protocols.

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Install NetBEUI on Windows XP
The files necessary for installing the NetBEUI protocol on Windows XP are Netnbf.inf and Nbf.sys. Complete the following steps to install NetBEUI:
Insert your Windows XP CD-ROM into the CD-ROM drive and browse to the Valueadd\MSFT\Net\NetBEUI folder.
Copy Nbf.sys to the %SYSTEMROOT%\System32\Drivers directory.
Copy Netnbf.inf to the %SYSTEMROOT%\Inf hidden directory.

NOTE: To make a hidden folder viewable, perform the following steps:
Click Start, click Run, type Explorer, and then press ENTER.
Click Tools, click Folder Options, and then click the View tab.
Under Advanced Settings, click Show hidden files and folders under the Hidden files and folders Folder.
Click Start, click Control Panel, and then double-click Network Connections.
Right-click the adapter you want to add NetBEUI to, and then click Properties.
On the General tab, click Install.
Click Protocol, and then click Add.
Click to select NetBEUI Protocol from the list and then click OK.
Restart your computer if you receive a prompt to complete the installation.
The NetBEUI protocol should now be installed and working.

NOTE: %SYSTEMROOT% is a Windows environment variable that identifies the directory where Windows XP is installed (for example, C:\Windows). To view the value associated with %SYSTEMROOT%, as well as other environment variables, at a command prompt, type set, and then press ENTER.

NOTE: After following the steps above you should be able to use NetBEUI on Lan connections, however you will not be able to use NetBEUI on a Remote Access Service (RAS) connection. RAS connections cannot use NetBeui.

For additional information on NetBEUI in Windows XP, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

306059 The NetBEUI Protocol Is Not Available in Windows XP


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Response Number 3
Name: Hmmm
Date: August 4, 2003 at 15:22:22 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
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You don't need netbui to share a TCP/IP Internet connection. Its good for print and file sharing though.


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Response Number 4
Name: x86
Date: August 4, 2003 at 16:27:34 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;111682


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Response Number 5
Name: stepho999
Date: August 4, 2003 at 16:35:32 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
Reply: (edit)

Hi,
Thanks for the info on Netbuie it is installed on both machines. I think the key for my problems lies with using a cross over cable. I've been using std patch cable.

I have also got a recent TCP/IP protocol for WFW 3.1, but may check out the above link to microsoft once i get a cross over cable!

What ip address should i use on 3.11? Or should i let it autodetect?

THANKYOU :)


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Response Number 6
Name: x86
Date: August 4, 2003 at 22:22:12 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
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When you have the right cable then run the XP networking wizard yet again, W3.x set to DHCP ie auto, just make sure WORKGROUP is the same.

You do not need any other protocol than TCP/IP and the updated TCP stack above for W3.x.

IE4 or later browser is better for setting up on W3.x for receiving an internet connection over a LAN.

http://classic.tucows.com/softweb_default.html


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Response Number 7
Name: Chad
Date: August 6, 2003 at 07:01:20 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
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If you get your own cable and want to make your own crossover cable here you go.

FIRST SIDE (Cross)
1. White / Green
2. Green
3. White / Orange
4. Blue
5. White / Blue
6. Orange
7. White / Brown
8. Brown


SECOND SIDE (Cat 5)
1. White / Orange
2. Orange
3. White / Green
4. Blue
5. White / Blue
6. Green
7. White / Brown
8. Brown

before I had a crimper I used two cat5 jacks and made a crossover between them so I could use a standard cables. when I added a 3rd computer I used the same standard cables and removed my crossover jack configuration and upgraded to a hub.

The reason I suggest jacks are because you don't need a rj45 crimper to make one. you can use pliers and squeeze them.


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Response Number 8
Name: stepho999
Date: August 9, 2003 at 12:21:08 Pacific
Subject: Networking WFW 3.1 & WinXP Pro
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Just to close the thread we got (bought) a cross over cable and made progress. We installed Netbui as well as TCP/IP and used IP address 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 with sub net mask 256.256.256.0 on server / slave PC's respectively. We managed to get both PC's to ping each other and to be able to see the slave PC's hard drive on the XP (server) PC. However the slave pC was only a 386/33 with 4 meg RAM and was running into memory problems when we tried to install ICS protocal for sharing internet services. End of game I think and we have gone out and aquired a Pentium 1 with 32meg RAM (only £30!)which is capable of running Win98.

We are still having problems with XP / 98SE but have learnt lots on the way and will be moving over to the W98 forum.

Many thanks for your help


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