Hello all,

I have a DOS/Windows 3.11 computer, and after installing my sound card driver and i try to run Windows 3.11 the message "Not enough conventional Memory to be able to run windows.
Quit one or more applications to increase availavle memory or restart your computer."

Ok. My windows has Visual basic, ie 3 & 5, paint, opera, word 6, winzip etc etc. I doubt that will affect my problem :D
Of course, i tried memmaker.exe but it still doesen't work

Here is my AUTOEXEC.BAT contents: -

C:\WINDOWS\NET START
C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /L /X
LH /L:2,32640 C:\WINDOWS\MSCDEX.EXE /S /D:CD003
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T4
LH /L:2,38208 C:\WINDOWS\MOUSE.COM /Y
@ECHO OFF
PROMPT $P$G
SET TEMP=C:\DOS
MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((437) C:\DOS\EGA.CPI)
MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=437
LH /L:2,16656 KEYB UK,,C:\DOS\KEYBOARD.SYS
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\IE5;%PATH%
C:\OPL3SA\SETUPSA.EXE /S

Here is my CONFIG.SYS contents: -

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /DOUBLE_BUFFER
DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE RAM HIGHSCAN I=B000-B7FF WIN=B300-B7FF
BUFFERS=15,0
FILES=30
DOS=UMB
lastdrive=Z
FCBS=4,0
DEVICEHIGH /L:3,12048 =C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICEHIGH /L:3,23120 =ATAPICD.SYS
DOS=HIGH
COUNTRY=044,,C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS
DEVICE=C:\DOS\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,,1)
STACKS=9,256
DEVICEHIGH /L:1,4560 =C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS

Here is my windows 3.11 SYSTEM.INI contents: -

[boot]
386grabber=macx.3gr
286grabber=vgacolor.2gr
display.drv=macx.drv
oemfonts.fon=VGAOEM.FON
fixedfon.fon=VGAFIX.FON
fonts.fon=VGASYS.FON
shell=progman.exe
network.drv=wfwnet.drv
mouse.drv=mouse.drv
language.dll=langeng.dll
sound.drv=mmsound.drv
comm.drv=comm.drv
atm.system.drv=system.drv
keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv
system.drv=atmsys.drv
SCRNSAVE.EXE=C:\WINDOWS\SSFLYWIN.SCR
drivers=mmsystem.dll winmm16.dll msmixmgr.dll

[keyboard]
keyboard.dll=kbduk.dll
oemansi.bin=
subtype=
type=4

[boot.description]
aspect=100,96,96
displayinf=OEMMACX.INF
display.drv=ATI mach64: 1024x768x65k (Small Font)
mouse.drv=Microsoft, or IBM PS/2
language.dll=English (International)
system.drv=MS-DOS System
codepage=437
woafont.fon=English (437)
keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards
network.drv=Microsoft Windows Network (version 3.11)
secondnet.drv=No Additional Network Installed

[386Enh]
display=macxvdd.386
EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON
EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON
CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON
CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON
device=*vpd
mouse=*vmd
woafont=dosapp.fon
device=vtdapi.386
device=vshare.386
device=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\dva.386
device=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WIN32S\W32S.386
ebios=*ebios
keyboard=*vkd
network=*vnetbios,*vwc,vnetsup.386,vredir.386,vserver.386
netheapsize=20
device=*vcd
device=*vpicd
device=*vtd
device=*reboot
device=*vdmad
device=*vsd
device=*v86mmgr
device=*pageswap
device=*dosmgr
device=*vmpoll
device=*wshell
device=*PAGEFILE
device=*BLOCKDEV
device=*vfd
device=*parity
device=*biosxlat
device=*vmcpd
device=*combuff
device=*cdpscsi
device=vpmtd.386
device=vcomm.386
device=serial.386
device=lpt.386
device=ifsmgr.386
device=vcache.386
local=CON
FileSysChange=off
COM3Irq=4
COM3Base=03E8
COM4Irq=3
COM4Base=02E8
netmisc=ndis.386,ndis2sup.386,wsock.386,wstcp.386
netcard=el90x.386
transport=nwlink.386,nwnblink.386,netbeui.386,vip.386,vdhcp.386,vtdi.386,vtcp.386,vnbt.386
InDOSPolling=FALSE
device=vsbd.386
device=vadlibd.386
SysVMIn2ndBank=FALSE
PermSwapDOSDrive=D
PermSwapSizeK=20480
MinTimeslice=20
WinTimeslice=100,50
WinExclusive=0
Com1AutoAssign=-1
Com2AutoAssign=-1
LPT1AutoAssign=-1
device=vopl3sa.386
device=vsgm.386
device=vymixd.386

[NonWindowsApp]
localtsrs=dosedit,ced

[vcache]
minfilecache=512

[mci]
CDAudio=mcicda.drv
Sequencer=mciseq.drv
WaveAudio=mciwave.drv
QTWVideo=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MCIQTW.DRV
AVIVideo=mciavi.drv

[Drivers]
midimapper=midimap.drv
timer=timer.drv
VIDC.CVID=iccvid.drv
VIDC.MSVC=msvidc.drv
VIDC.IV32=ir32.dll
VIDC.IV31=ir32.dll
VIDC.MRLE=msrle.drv
VIDC.RT21=ir21_r.dll
VIDC.YVU9=ir21_r.dll
WaveMapper=msacm.drv
MSACM.msadpcm=msadpcm.acm
MSACM.imaadpcm=imaadpcm.acm
Wave=opl3sa.drv
VIDC.RLE=ativdacc.drv
VIDS.DRAW=udh.dll
DCI=atidci
MIDI=opl3sa.drv
AUX=opl3sa.drv
MIXER=opl3sa.drv
JOYSTICK=opl3sa.drv

[DDEShares]
CHAT$=winchat,chat,,31,,0,,0,0,0
SCHAT$=winchat,chat,,31,,0,,0,0,0
CLPBK$=clipsrv,system,,31,,0,,0,0,0
HEARTS$=mshearts,hearts,,15,,0,,0,0,0

[Network]
winnet=wfwnet/00025100
multinet=nonet
FileSharing=Yes
PrintSharing=Yes
LogonDisconnected=yes
EnableSharing=Yes
UserName=MATT
Workgroup=DRAGNET
ComputerName=WIN3.11
Comment=
logonvalidated=no
reshare=yes
reconnect=yes

[display]
svgamode=84

[network drivers]
devdir=C:\WINDOWS
LoadRMDrivers=No
netcard=el90x.dos
transport=ndishlp.sys,*netbeui

[NWNBLINK]
LANABASE=1

[MSTCP]
EnableRouting=0
Interfaces=tcm$el90x0
deadgwdetect=1
pmtudiscovery=1

[DNS]
DomainName=
DNSDomains=

[Password Lists]
*Shares=C:\WINDOWS\Share000.PWL
MATT=C:\WINDOWS\MATT.PWL

[MSACM.imaadpcm]
MaxRTEncodeSetting=6
MaxRTDecodeSetting=6

[speaker.drv]
CPU Speed=71
Volume=1000
Version=774
Enhanced=1
Max seconds=1
Leave interrupts enabled=0

[msacm.drv]
Playback=Sound Driver for PC-Speaker
Record=[none]
PreferredOnly=0

[svga256.drv]
ChipSet=Tseng ET4000
LatchCapable=No
resolution=3
dpi=96
svgamode=56

[Installable Compressors]
vidc.rle=ativdacc.drv

[Macx]
EngineText=off
DevCapStretchBlt=on
DeviceBitMap=off
VGADAC=on
DesktopSize=1024x768
Dithering=on
Environment=Small Font
PaletteManager=on
PixelDepth=16
ScreenSize=1024x768
VGADither=off
DeviceBitmaps=off
AutoEnvironment=off

[tcm$el90x0]
DefaultGateway=192.168.1.1
IPMask=0.0.0.0
IPAddress=0.0.0.0
Description=3Com EtherLink PCI NICs (3C90X)
Binding=tcm$el90x

[NBT]
LANABASE=0
EnableProxy=0
EnableDNS=0

[OPL3SA.Drv]
WSSDMADAC=0
WSSDMAADC=1
WSSInterrupt=5
WSSAddress=1328
SBEnable=1
SBAddress=544
MPUAddress=816
MPUInterrupt=5
MPUEnable=1
DualDMA=1
OPLEnable=1
WSSEnable=1
GamePortEnable=1
SBInterrupt=5
SBDMA=1
JoyStickDim=2
JoyStickTimeOut=768

Any help would be appreciated, Matt

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I got extremely bored and only read this bit "Not enough conventional Memory to be able to run windows". Obviously you need to find a way of releasing enough conventional memory:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/95555

that doesent help me :S
Even when i edit the autoexec.bat file to only run standard drivers it still does not work!!!
I do not think that DOS has grasped how much RAM etc etc that i have as i have far better specs than Windows 3.1 requires...

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Can you run the mem command and tell us all the info. If you are able to take a screen dump of the mem /c /p command that would help us even more. Also what version of DOS are you running 5 or 6.x?

if windows wont start its usually
a dos problem

opera? winzip?
need some freeware?
http://win31.no-ip.org/freeware/

It may not bee of much help but
here is the fully working config.sys
that I'm using right now

device=h:\dos\HIMEM.SYS
device=c:\programs\setxmsto.exe 600000
buffers=30
STACKS=9,256
FILES=100
DOS=high
LASTDRIVE=Z
device=I:\WINDOWS\311\IFSHLP.SYS

and my autoexec.bat

c:\programs\xmsdsk.exe 65000
set ieppp=E:\PROGRAMS\MSIE50
set pctcp=E:\PROGRAMS\MSIE50\pctcp.shv
SET TEMP=J:\temp
I:\WINDOWS\311\net start
@ECHO OFF
PROMPT $p$g
PATH E:\PROGRAMS\MSIE50;I:\WINDOWS\311;C:\WINDOWS\WFWG;F:\PROGRAMS\MSIE40;F:\PROGRAMS\MSIE50;C:\WINDOWS;C:\DOS
I:\WINDOWS\311\SMARTDRV.EXE /L

trouble often can be hardware
make sure everything is working right
ram sticks,ide etc....

I have dos 6.22,

Well, if i take the three lines (sound driver files) from the system.ini file off then it works. Its not a hardware problem as i have 128mb ram, even though i think i heard on here that dos only detects 64mb.

I do not know how to screen dump, is that the printscreen button? i have tried it but doesent work :S

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The problem is that sound drivers and MS Lan Client (C:\WINDOWS\NET START) together use to much conventional memory.

Do a "mem" command and post results. That will tell how much ram is free - about 600 kB of conventional memory is considered good.

You will probably need to optimize memory usage. There are some new drivers for mouse, cd-rom, etc. you can use to replace old ones - new ones use less memory. Search for CTMOUSE - replaces MOUSE.COM, SHSUCDEX - replaces MSCDEX.EXE, JEMMEX - replaces EMM386 and HIMEM.

Ahh, those memory saver files sound like they may be the problem, most of the drivers i am using are quite old and ones which my dad used to use and still does for appropriate reasons. Thanks mate! :)

I have been looking on the internet for these files which you have stated but i cannot find them. Could anybody point out the location of them?

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humm maby this will help...

with msdos
the only limit on xms is 2gb
just use setxmsto
I'm using 600mb right now
300mb ram drives are quite handy

use the himem.sys from your win3.11 dir

unless you have some app that
really needs it remove EMM386.EXE

load smartdrv after himem.sys
it does not have to be in config.sys
anyway
maby remove /L too

This page links to most of the new drivers:
http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/lsm....
Descriptins are there too. Some drivers are loaded differently than their MS-DOS versions, but they come with documentation anyway, so there should be no problem.

Thanks mate!! well appreciated, i hope this frees up some of that precious k!
Will try tomorrow. I do take it that "cutemouse" is ctmouse?

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Yes well, i have replaced mscdex.exe with shsucdx.com, and have replaced mouse.com with ctmouse.exe and have uploaded them both into higher memory, i have also taken all the other posts into consideration and edited them in some way or another, but windows still doesent load with the sound drivers in windows system.ini, i have taken NET START out of autoexec.bat just to see if it might work without it, but no it doesent. I have edited config.sys and autoexec.bat to all your considerations but it still asks for more memory. Mind you, if you take the three sound drivers out of the system.ini it works, but i want sound in windows... :S

Any more suggestions pelase? I am really annoyed, and can someone tell me how to do a "Screen Dump" when i type mem/c/p please?

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once the dos soundcard setup program
is run the windows sound blaster
drivers should be able to use it

think I've had the sort of trouble your talking about before...
bit more info on the card please
thats an opti right?

When the BIOS starts, the card appears just before DOS starts and it says "Configuring OPL3-SA3 card" (or something along the lines)

The card i believe is plug and play as it says. It is sound blaster compatable (on some games it can run as a soundblaster pro (DOS))

It is a Yamaha OPL3-SAx Card. I got given the computer as i wanted to do the type of thing i am doing on it now (Old games, win311) and i have never changed the componants of it as i have found the drivers etc for windows311 etc. It did take me ages to find a working ATI Mach64vt driver for it. But thats not anything to do with this...

The only thing that is stopping me on having my perfect DOS/Windows 3.11 machine is this bloody sound card! As i said, YAMAHA OPL3-SAx, the drivers that I have found for it is the right one as the driver supports All yamaha OPL3-SA chips. Thats all i know about it really.

The drivers do include a DOS Sound Setup for the card and inside the same setup it has drivers for windows3.1.

So do you think that i can use the sound blaster 1 (or another) driver for windows (included on diskettes) or from the net would work with the card? I think that may do the trick. Good man! :D Now, all i need is to know what the best sound blaster driver is best for my YAMAHA OPL3-SAx Sound blaster compatable... Anyone?

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ahhh thats better now I can help
mach64,opl3 sax sounds like my sony vaio
and its working just fine

I'll upload the drivers as soon as I can
they came in a 2 disk set

but for the moment here are working settings
if you have the right drivers

autoexec.bat
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T4
c:\OPL3SAX\SETUPSA.EXE /S
G:\WFWG311\NET START
G:\WFWG311\SMARTDRV.EXE /X /L
PATH=G:\WFWG311;%PATH%
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP

config.sys
LASTDRIVE=z
DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICE=G:\WFWG311\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH
FILES=50
STACKS=9,256
DEVICE=G:\WFWG311\IFSHLP.SYS
DEVICE=G:\WFWG311\SMARTDRV.EXE /DOUBLE_BUFFER

system.ini
[boot]
shell=progman.exe
network.drv=wfwnet.drv
mouse.drv=mouse.drv
language.dll=
sound.drv=mmsound.drv
comm.drv=comm.drv
keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv
system.drv=system.drv
386grabber=vga.3gr
oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon
fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon
fonts.fon=vgasys.fon
display.drv=vga.drv
drivers=mmsystem.dll msmixmgr.dll
SCRNSAVE.EXE=(None)

[keyboard]
subtype=
type=4
keyboard.dll=
oemansi.bin=

[boot.description]
keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards
mouse.drv=Microsoft, or IBM PS/2
language.dll=English (American)
system.drv=MS-DOS System
codepage=437
woafont.fon=English (437)
aspect=100,96,96
display.drv=VGA
network.drv=Microsoft Windows Network (version 3.11)
secondnet.drv=No Additional Network Installed

[386Enh]
device=vymixd.386
device=vsgm.386
device=vopl3sa.386
device=*vpd
mouse=*vmd
ebios=*ebios
woafont=dosapp.fon
display=*vddvga
EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON
EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON
CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON
CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON
keyboard=*vkd
network=*vnetbios,*vwc,vnetsup.386,vredir.386,vserver.386
netheapsize=20
device=*vcd
device=*vpicd
device=*vtd
device=*reboot
device=*vdmad
device=*vsd
device=*v86mmgr
device=*pageswap
device=*dosmgr
device=*vmpoll
device=*wshell
device=*PAGEFILE
device=*BLOCKDEV
device=*vfd
device=*parity
device=*biosxlat
device=*vmcpd
device=*combuff
device=*cdpscsi
device=vtdapi.386
device=vpmtd.386
device=vcomm.386
device=serial.386
device=lpt.386
device=ifsmgr.386
device=vcache.386
device=vshare.386
local=CON
FileSysChange=off
COM3Irq=4
COM3Base=03E8
COM4Irq=3
COM4Base=02E8
PagingFile=C:\WIN386.SWP
MaxPagingFileSize=66224
netmisc=ndis.386,ndis2sup.386
transport=nwlink.386,nwnblink.386,netbeui.386
InDOSPolling=FALSE
netcard=rtsnd.386

[NonWindowsApp]
localtsrs=dosedit,ced

[vcache]
minfilecache=512

[mci]
WaveAudio=mciwave.drv
Sequencer=mciseq.drv
CDAudio=mcicda.drv

[drivers]
timer=timer.drv
midimapper=midimap.drv
MIDI=opl3sa.drv
Aux=opl3sa.drv
Wave=opl3sa.drv
Mixer=opl3sa.drv
JOYSTICK=opl3sa.drv

[DDEShares]
CHAT$=winchat,chat,,31,,0,,0,0,0
SCHAT$=winchat,chat,,31,,0,,0,0,0
CLPBK$=clipsrv,system,,31,,0,,0,0,0
HEARTS$=mshearts,hearts,,15,,0,,0,0,0

[Network]
winnet=wfwnet/00025100
multinet=nonet
FileSharing=Yes
PrintSharing=No
LogonDisconnected=yes
EnableSharing=Yes
UserName=ivorycat
Workgroup=WATLERSWORLD
ComputerName=YAMAHA
Comment=yamaha
logonvalidated=no
reconnect=yes

[network drivers]
devdir=G:\WFWG311
LoadRMDrivers=No
netcard=LNE100.dos,rtsnd.dos
transport=ndishlp.sys,*netbeui

[NWNBLINK]
LANABASE=1

[Password Lists]
*Shares=G:\WFWG311\Share000.PWL
WATLER=G:\WFWG311\WATLER.PWL
IVORYCAT=G:\WFWG311\IVORYCAT.PWL

[OPL3SA.Drv]
WSSDMADAC=0
WSSDMAADC=1
WSSInterrupt=7
WSSAddress=1328
SBEnable=1
SBAddress=544
MPUAddress=816
MPUInterrupt=5
MPUEnable=1
DualDMA=1
OPLEnable=1
WSSEnable=1
GamePortEnable=1
SBInterrupt=5
SBDMA=1
JoyStickDim=2
JoyStickTimeOut=12288
MuteMaster=0
MuteAux1=0
MuteWave=0
MuteSoftSynth=0
MuteMIDI=0
MuteLine=0
MuteMic=1
MuteMono=0
3DWide=0
Mute3DWide=0
Left3DWide=0
Right3DWide=0
Left3DBass=0
Right3DBass=0
Left3DTreble=0
Right3DTreble=0
LeftMasterVol=12285
RightMasterVol=12285
LeftAuxVol=32767
RightAuxVol=32767
LeftDACVol=32767
RightDACVol=32767
LeftSoftSynthVol=20475
RightSoftSynthVol=20475
LeftLineInVol=32767
RightLineInVol=32767
MicOutVol=32767
MonoOutVol=32767
LoopbackVol=0
LoopbackEnable=0
LeftWaveADCMicVol=0
RightWaveADCMicVol=0
LeftWaveADCAuxVol=0
RightWaveADCAuxVol=0
LeftWaveADCLineVol=0
RightWaveADCLineVol=0
LeftWaveADCOutputVol=0
RightWaveADCOutputVol=0
WaveADCSource=Aux
LeftVoiceADCMicVol=0
RightVoiceADCMicVol=0
LeftVoiceADCAuxVol=0
RightVoiceADCAuxVol=0
LeftVoiceADCLineVol=0
RightVoiceADCLineVol=0
LeftVoiceADCOutputVol=0
RightVoiceADCOutputVol=0
VoiceADCSource=MIC
LeftSynthVol=32767
RightSynthVol=32767
PowerMode=0
PowerTime=0
MIC20dB=0
YmersionType=0
MICLRMute=1
SoftSynthRate=22050
SoftSynthVoices=32
SoftSynthEffect=1
SoftSynthMPUOutMode=1

[YAMAHA]
ZVPort=1
CPLMPUBoth=0
ForceSA2=0
ForceSA3A=0
OnlyFM=0
POTSVideo=0
PowerMuteTime=150
HookService=0
Enable3DBox=0
Level1Partial=0
DelFM=0
DelSoftSynth=0
DelMPU=0
EnableSRS=0
MIC20dB=1
3DWideLRDisable=1

[mciseq.drv]
disablewarning=true

oh yea you should be able to use
the default sound blaster drivers that
come with windows
either 1.0 or 1.5
likly the opl3.drv,sapi!opl.drv and/or adlib
drivers will work for midi

ah, thanks alot, as you can see in my own system.ini at the top of the page, i have a mach64 display driver already, have for a long time now. I Yamaha OPL3-SAx sound drivers which i have installed are from YAMAHA themselves for the right OS.

To be able to get back into Windows3.11 after installing the audio driver i have to delete these three lines from the system.ini under the heading "386Enh" which i see that you have in your system.ini: -

device=vopl3sa.386
device=vsgm.386
device=vymixd.386

I believe i have the right drivers but cannot get enough Memory to be able to allow the three drivers: -

device=vopl3sa.386
device=vsgm.386
device=vymixd.386

to be able to load windows at all

Both my autoexec.bat and config.sys are more or less exactly like yours mate so i do not know where the memory is going...

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Hmmm, after testing the sound blaster 1.0 and 1.5 drivers for windows, it did not work. When i would install one of them, a box would appear with port and interupt, i pt the right ones in (default ones) 220 and 5 but it would say that i had the wrong intreupt settings for my card. I tried all the interupts and the other sond blaster driver bt niether of them worked...

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Ah, never mind. I will just have to cope with the pc speaker device driver :)

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