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Name: btnsg
Date: June 23, 2008 at 23:09:46 Pacific
OS: N/A
CPU/Ram: Pentium 133MHs/31MB
Product: Cannon Notejet IIIcx
Comment:

Hi, Ive recently recieved the computer above, and tried to
install 3.1 on it, but it only asks me to press any key to
restart, and when I do, it repeas the message, again and
again. Thanks



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Response Number 1
Name: Trent M
Date: June 24, 2008 at 08:43:41 Pacific
Reply:

My Compaq did this before I installed an OS on it.

It might not be detecting an OS. Stick an MS-DOS boot disk in the floppy drive and then press a key to restart. If it boots to DOS without asking you to restart, thats the problem.

When DOS boots, use "fdisk" to set up the hard disk, then use "format c:" to format it. Then type "sys c:" to install DOS on the HD. Then you can take the floppy disk out, restart the computer, and install Windows.

You need MS-DOS 3.3 - 6.22 to install Windows 3.x.

Hope this helps.

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 2
Name: btnsg
Date: June 26, 2008 at 04:37:07 Pacific
Reply:

Luckily, I could format the drive with the windows 95 boot
disk that came with a computer i have, but, obviously
couldn't install MS Dos with the 95 discs. The MS Dos boot
disks i got off the net gave the same reaction as before.
Thanks anyway.


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Response Number 3
Name: Trent M
Date: June 26, 2008 at 07:23:45 Pacific
Reply:

Unless you have already tried here, You can get MS-DOS boot disks here:

http://oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/bo...

They are zipped in WinImage format. You can get winimage free here:

http://www.winimage.com/

Extract the files to a floppy disk. WinImage *should* put them in the right places on the disk so it can boot.

I'm gonna do what I can to help you. Hope this works.

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 4
Name: Frank Coxe
Date: June 26, 2008 at 14:11:28 Pacific
Reply:

Hi All,
I have tried to install W3.1 from new disks but when my computer is digesting the setup it returns to MS-DOS stating "error loading com.com." My old W3.1 also won't load but at a different file. I've scandisked the C: drive and found a bad block at the begining and several downstream. All the MS-DOS programs run fine. The unit just doesn't want to load W3.1. Any ideas?
Frank at prozach7@aol.com

Frank


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Response Number 5
Name: Trent M
Date: June 26, 2008 at 14:56:24 Pacific
Reply:

Does it acually say com.com or command.com?

You most likely won't be able to install Windows until you get rid of those bad sectors. Run "scandisk /f" to fix the bad sectors. If it says it can't fix them or it just doesn't fix them, the only fix is to reformat the hard disk. Formating means losing all of your data, though. Unless you have the install disks for all of your programs, copy everything onto floppies. Hope this helps.

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 6
Name: Frank Coxe
Date: June 26, 2008 at 19:16:51 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Trent. There are some 10 bad clusters including one at the beginning of the scan.
The original W 3.1 (that came with the machine) failed while the computer was off for a long time. However MS-DOS 6.0 works fine. The original shows the Windows page then says "error loading GDI.exe" sometimes and "---USER.EXE other times.
So I got a new-in-box W 3.11 and tried to install it and that failed before the Windows picture came up with "error loading comm.drv". Bootlog shows "loadfail at comm.drv failure code is 00".
I tried it on this machine and it worked fine, meaning the software is ok. Wouldn't the program seek good portions of the hard drive and ignore the bad clusters? Very strange!
Frank

Frank


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Response Number 7
Name: Trent M
Date: June 26, 2008 at 19:27:24 Pacific
Reply:

No problem.

As far as I know, Scandisk wasn't around until Windows 95, so the Windows 3.x setup program doesn't have a way to detect bad clusters/sectors, and just installs Windows wherever it wants to, whether it's bad or not.

Can you start Windows at all?

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 8
Name: btnsg
Date: June 27, 2008 at 05:16:54 Pacific
Reply:

Yes. I Installed Dos. Thanks


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Response Number 9
Name: btnsg
Date: June 27, 2008 at 18:15:41 Pacific
Reply:

Installed 3.1. Thanks


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Response Number 10
Name: T-R-A
Date: June 28, 2008 at 04:55:07 Pacific
Reply:

And just FWIW...

Scandisk first shipped with DOS 6.2...

It could (sometimes incorrectly) identify bad clusters, but a better (and of course more-expensive) tool would be GRC's Spinrite:

http://www.grc.com


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Response Number 11
Name: Frank Coxe
Date: June 28, 2008 at 14:33:27 Pacific
Reply:

Tnx, Trent. No, it won't install at all. I also compressed the C: drive, thereby creating the I: drive. The bad sectors are all on the I: disk, and it still behaves as before. I also tried several different config.sys lines, none of which helped.
The memory check comes out fine (8 MB). I'm trying to figure out what "load" means. I thought it meant placing data from a disk into memory. Loadfail would mean that memory is not accepting the data from the disk or not using the memory contents properly. so there seems to be a conflict between saying memory is ok and the loadfail notice in bootlog.
Got any more ideas? How frustrating!
Frank

Frank


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Response Number 12
Name: Trent M
Date: June 28, 2008 at 15:29:26 Pacific
Reply:

What program are using to compress the HD? Windows doesn't like some disk compression software.

How big is your HD? If it's bigger than 512 MB, it may be FAT32, which Windows 3.x won't work on. (Although I don't think the fdisk program that comes with DOS 6 or earlier supports FAT32)

If you really want to install Windows, and you don't have any important data on the hardisk, I would uncompress your HD, boot to DOS on a floppy, use "fdisk" to delete and remake the partition (this means losing all of your data), reformat the HD with "format c:", use "sys c:" to install DOS on the HD, take out the floppy disk, reboot, and then install Windows.

I wouldn't make an AUTOEXEC.BAT or CONFIG.SYS file before installing Windows. After installing Windows (which makes those 2 files itself after installing) then you can add any lines to the files, one at a time to make sure it doesn't make any bad side effects to Windows or the way it runs.

If you're up to it, try what I mentioned, and post the results.

Your amount of RAM is fine. Windows 3.1 needs about 10 MB of HD space (absolute minimum.) And may have problems on HD's over 2 GB.

The commands I instructed above are without the quotes.

If your having trouble with fdisk, format, or sys, tell me whats going on.

Good luck!

-Trent

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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Response Number 13
Name: Trent M
Date: July 17, 2008 at 06:17:53 Pacific
Reply:

Has anything happened yet?

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002

AMD Sempron 2500+ @ 1.74 Ghz

512 MB RAM


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