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Name: David Scherer
Date: September 9, 2001 at 22:08:23 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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I am really happy by the amount of support there has been for Eterna since I announced that I did not have the time. Since then, I have recieved dozens of e-mails requesting source material and information about the composure of Eterna. This post will contain information and since I have a computer to work online with on a limited basis, I will hopefully be able to upload some files that will prove usefull for those who want to further develop Eterna.


First off all, you need to be aware that Eterna was NOT based directly from Windows 3.1, but from A Windows NT Tool which created a bootable Disk to perform hardware detection. This Tool was called NTHQ. The boot disk would create a Ramdisk and place a miniture version of Windows 3.1 on this Ramdisk. This version of windows, although technically Version 3.1, was designed for the NT tools and may even contain a hint of NT code since it was designed to run on NT machines. (This is no problem since NT 3.5 shared much common code with Win 3.1, in fact many applications run with Win32's enabled, since Win32's was primarily to enable NT Programs to function on the 3.1 Platform.)

The files included on this bootdisk were dosx.exe plus other executables. I personally have not tried adding win.com, but since I am concerned about copyright matters, I felt that if I stuck to files included with the bootdisk, except for libaries needed for a shell to run, it would be safer since for official purposes, Eterna could be considered an enhanced version of NTHQ and Diagnostics for any platform.

Most of Eterna was designed by taking a base system which ran plain old Program Manager and simply using search engines to locate drivers for Windows 3.1 and replacement programs. So far I have found replacements for these:

Calculator, Notepad, Task Switcher, Program Manager, System Driver, Sound Driver, Some Control Panels, Libaries, and other misc. items.

Within a month orso I will be getting an imac computer and setting it up as a server on an ADSL line with a Static IP. I will be hosting files for Eterna on my server. In the meantime, I will be working on a Web-Installer for users to download items for Eterna such as drivers and programs.

For most of you, the main question about Eterna is wether there is source code or not. No, because it's like a jigsaw puzzle, you find a replacement piece and you take the old one out, put the new one in. It's suprising how many programs there are out there to do better jobs than those supplied by Microsoft. It's a matter of finding them since many 16-Bit applications are losing thier hosts.

It is my sincere hope that someone can begin to look over the source code of WINE and see wether it would be compatible to port it to Windows 3.1, so that the functions can be increased, including support for some Windows 95 32-Bit applications. The whole idea behind Eterna is summed up in our background bitmap: Eternal possibilities folowed by eternal discoveries. With a little work and support, we can have something worthwhile. many have commented on how that even though Eterna may be lacking alot, it does have potential to those who help it. We al realize it is impossible for me to do it alone, and I am thankfull for those who beta tested for me.

I will be in and out in Eterna development, and I will create a site where users can upload new findings. I have an account at sourceforge.net, so I will post here once the project page is up so everyone can benefit.

Please, iether post here to say yeah or naye about the project, for most it doesn't take more than a minute to say that it's ok, but work on this...if you say what's wrong, then it can hopefully be fixed. Also, please post urls of old software and titles you want to see run on Eterna if it doesn't so other know the work that lies ahead!

Thanks For Your Support.

David Scherer
Creator Of Eterna (graphical clone)


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Response Number 1
Name: N1
Date: September 9, 2001 at 22:41:28 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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david im glad to see that u decided to post an update on e t e r n a here...
u already know where i stand concerning this project...i will continue to help u out where i can...

Later...N1


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Response Number 2
Name: jboy
Date: September 10, 2001 at 10:22:59 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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Haven't tried it, but sounds like a worthwhile project. Sourceforge is an excellent site choice, too.

"It's suprising how many programs there are out there to do better jobs than those supplied by Microsoft."

Not really ;-)

Keep at it.


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Response Number 3
Name: FRN2000
Date: September 10, 2001 at 18:38:44 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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the eterna project should continue.

check out these links..
http://vintageos.tripod.com/links.html
http://www.bookcase.com/library/software/#win3x
http://allchars.polder.net/
http://www.overware.com/os/os.php?mode=content&type=freeware&title=Freeware
http://www.btinternet.com/~woofgbr/


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Response Number 4
Name: petard
Date: September 10, 2001 at 19:47:19 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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"you need to be aware that Eterna was NOT based directly from Windows 3.1, but from A Windows NT Tool which created a bootable Disk to perform hardware detection."

Ya just made a couple of the kids in Redmond choke on their Mountain Dew. Very funny. You do have a lawyer under retainer, right?


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Response Number 5
Name: David Scherer
Date: September 10, 2001 at 22:40:38 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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Thanks for the posts, I will look at the sites. As for some of my wording, this posting site isn't our official site, so I guess it doesn't 100% matter, but once the site is back up, I will be paying good heed to the words. (I have some experience in legal matters and marketing, so I hope it pays off.)

I just finished my web installer, about 15-20mb worth of programs, so please don't expect it overnight, but once it's online, feel free to send it in all directions, because it runs on all windows platforms, and is usefull even for 3.1 users who are looking for software.

Yes, I know there is lot's of software, but I didn't really go this deep into online software to replace microsft's offerings, so to me it was a suprise.

PS, I lost my copy of silver wolfe desktop, if anyone has a copy or know the download url, please post it, it's a great shell with a print manager..:)

news! eterna can nowrun in 386enh mode and standard mode, so i hope this makes it better.

keep the posts coming and spread the word!


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Response Number 6
Name: N1
Date: September 10, 2001 at 23:42:16 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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check ur mail...SilverWolfe is on its way to u...plus some extra info...

HTH...N1


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Response Number 7
Name: David Scherer
Date: September 14, 2001 at 20:59:28 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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Eterna now has a permanent home on sourceforge.net!

Files are available for downloading, including the release of eterna!

:)


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Response Number 8
Name: David Scherer
Date: September 14, 2001 at 21:11:58 Pacific
Subject: Information For Eterna Users
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Ooops..I forgot to say whwere they are...

The unix name for the project is "x5software" and the project name is "e t e r n a graphical clone"



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