humm what is it? just a tweaked win16? did you test it on dr or free dos? mobrien12 bad link sounds like an idea though

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Strange, link works fine for me. It's Windows 3.11 modified with Calmira dlls. IT only runs in real mode on freedos because that's the only way windows 3.1x runs on freedos. Someone else at the MES tested it on Freedos using DOSEMU. I was immediately suspicious and ran strings on all the files. They contain copyright notices from Microsoft for the early 1990's. The copyright notices in some files had been altered, but you don't have much flexibility in doing that to binaries because you must preserve the byte count. Thus the Nine character "Microsoft" became the nine character "A.V. Soft" and the seven character "Windows" became the seven character "Freewin". If you can't click the link, go to http://forum.microsuck.com and find the thread in the "Moron Zone" (this is where the MES throws threads like that).

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Oh, regarding the bad link: sometimes the name doesn't DNS resolve depending on what network you are on (it's in canada): I've run into that when travelling. You can try the main MES page directly with its IP number http://65.39.182.20/ and click the forum link at the top if that doesn't work.

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cant seem to locate the post but I know what you are talking about it sounds like a good starting point sort of a jumping point to save time dlls can be reprogramed and replaced and in this case there are very few to deal with in order for them to work they would need to be all most identical export the functions the same way and likly even be the same size are you certain they were not recreated or did you just read a post about it? have a good link to the file?

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OK here is the original detective work post. It is my post. *SNIP* This IS an actual, stripped down copy of Windows 3.11, modified/improved by Calmira . In some cases, the guy was smart enough to try to replace the copyright notices, but if you look closely, he had to make some odd replacements to keep the byte count the same. For example "Microsoft" "A.v. soft" "Windows" "Freewin" Code: for i in $(ls *); do strings $i|less ; done Quote: Originally Posted by sample of interesting things FileVersion 1.00 InternalName COMMDLG LegalCopyright Copyright 2000 Joshua Brannon OriginalFilename COMMDLG.DLL ProductName COMMDLG Replacement ProductVersion 1.00 StringFileInfo 040904E4 CompanyName Microsoft Corporation FileDescription Windows COMM Driver FileVersion 3.10 InternalName COMM LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1991-1992 OriginalFilename COMM.DRV ProductName Microsoft Windows(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.10 VarFileInfo Translation CompanyName Microsoft Corporation FileDescription DDE Management library FileVersion 4.10.1998 InternalName DDEML LegalCopyright Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp. 1991-1998 OriginalFilename DDEML.DLL ProductName Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System You are using a Windows 3.0 display driver with Windows 3.1 ... You need to contact your video board manufacturer for updated video drivers. IconMaker and other programs may n ot work properly with your current driver. The FastDraw flag in ICONMKR.INI is being se t to 0 ... When you update your driver, you should be able to change the flag to 1, and get improved performance. Copyright (C) 1983-1990 Microsoft Corp. All Rights Reserved. FileDescription Windows Keyboard Driver FileVersion 3.10 InternalName KEYBOARD LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1991-1992 OriginalFilename KBD.DRV ProductName Microsoft Windows(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.10 Portions Copyright (c) 1983,92 Borland CompanyName A.v. Soft Corporation FileDescription Freewin file expansion library FileVersion 3.11 InternalName LZEXPAND LegalCopyright Copyright A.v. Soft Corp. 1989-1993 OriginalFilename LZEXPAND.DLL ProductName A.v. Soft Freewin(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.11 CompanyName a.v. soft Corporation FileDescription System APIs for Multimedia FileVersion InternalName mmsystem.dll LegalCopyright Copyright a.v. soft Corp. 1991 OriginalFilename mmsystem.dll ProductName a.v. soft Freewin ProductVersion VarFileInfo Translation InternalName MOUSE LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1991-1992 OriginalFilename MOUSE.DRV ProductName Microsoft Windows(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.10 VarFileInfo Translation CompanyName AreCo d.o.o. FileDescription 3D Controls Driver using CTL3D or CTL3DV2 libraries. FileVersion 1.27 InternalName Z3DC LegalCopyright Copyright Pekic Zoltan,1994-95 OriginalFilename Z3DC.DRV VarFileInfo Translation CompanyName Microsoft Corporation FileDescription Multimedia sound driver FileVersion InternalName mmsound.drv LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1991 OriginalFilename mmsound.drv ProductName Microsoft Windows ProductVersion VarFileInfo Translation CompanyName Microsoft Corporation FileDescription VGA 386 enhanced mode display component FileVersion 3.10 InternalName GRABBER LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1991-1992 OriginalFilename VGA.3GR ProductName Microsoft Windows(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.10 Freewin for Workgroups 3.11 could not start. Make sure that you are running MS-DOS version 3.30 or higher, and that the "files=" line in CONFIG.SYS is set to 20 or higher. FileVersion 3.10 InternalName TOOLHELP LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1981-1996 OriginalFilename TOOLHELP.DLL ProductName Microsoft Windows(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.10 InternalName FIXFONTS LegalCopyright Copyright Microsoft Corp. 1991-1992 OriginalFilename VGAFIX.FON ProductName Microsoft Windows(TM) Operating System ProductVersion 3.10 VarFileInfo :Microsoft Windows 3.1 Coprocessor/Emulator Library 7.00.00 *SNIP* Do the strings yourself. You will find the same information.

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That's just a sample. Cutting and pasting gets boring. You will notice a couple dll's that are not belonging to MS. For example Joshua Brannon's COMMDLG.DLL replacement is available at the Calmira site and changes the dialog boxes. The rest clearly belong to Microsoft. You can write a replacement dll, but it won't have Microsoft's copyright notices, and it doesn't have to be the same size, because you recompile it. If you use a hex editor to manipulate the strings in a compiled program or dll, you have to keep the byte count identical.

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cool thanks for the input some version checking programs and virous scaners likly would have errors if the dlls were changed much though I havent seen the setup I would think calmira a bit heavy it calls some system functions that you likly could do without why would any one who went that far stop is there some invisible M$ barrier? imposible or just to difficult? the windows 3.1 program was supposed to be made with C++ right? wat say? hummm..... when was the last time M$ sued or jailed any one for giving away copys of windows 3.1?

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WRT Calmira, it seems he didn't take the whole thing, only some dll files to change the look of Windows so it wasn't glaringly obvious. Joshua's file, for example, doesn't need a calmira install from what I remember: it can be put on a Win 3.1x installation. However, it it is found on the Calmira project webpage. Not sure what you mean about an invisible MS barrier, except the fact that they wrote the OS. Yeah, you can plug new pieces in, but rewriting the whole thing is darned hard (look at the Wine or reactos projects). But anyone can alter strings in binary files if they have a hex editor (DOS Norton Utils came with a good one). You could change the strings in your current windows 3.1x install to read "Walters" instead of "Windows" if you wanted to. Last time I did it was with a binary game data file in DOS to "cheat" on the (one player) game to give me a million credits. It won't trip any antivirus scanners because it's not executable code. The only restriction is you must only change bytes in the string data, not delete, not add (think overstrike instead of insert). As for MS suing over Win 3.1x... I dunno. I don't want any FreeDOS users to get hurt by downloading Warez and thinking it's original software.

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