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3.11 on a P4?
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Original Message
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Name: fatmander
Date: December 15, 2002 at 16:26:15 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4?
OS: 3.11
CPU/Ram: 2.4P4, 512 DDR
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Comment: I am looking for intelligent opinions(good and bad) on running a 3.11 app. on a 2.4GHz P4.
This is not a 'thicko question' (although it may seem as such, there is a lot of time by experts and capital investment already gone into this)
I have 4 industrial machines, that are running off win3.11 166 MHz Boxes using specialised control software, (through legacy ISA cards-(ie) 4X RS-232 adaptors, http://digi.com)
Using also 3 X9pin serial(rs-232) ports for direct control,
I am wondering
1/if anyone has any experience running 3.11 at speeds above 300MHz,
2/will the FSB of a P4 chip (133/400/533) upset the timing of the control software?
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Response Number 1
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Name: Tyler
Date: December 15, 2002 at 17:47:49 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4? |
Reply: (edit)Why would you want to run win 3.11 on a P4...wouldn't you want windows 98 or something higher.
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Response Number 4
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Name: k_semler
Date: December 15, 2002 at 20:58:42 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4? |
Reply: (edit)Yes, you can run Windows 3.1x on a P4, but you will propably have difficulty finding drivers for all the hardware due to manufacturers no longer supporting Win31. Also, the P4 busspeed should not interfere with your control programs, unless your control software is instructed to run on a paticular insruction set (Like run every 3,000th insruction cycle) And yes, I have run WFW 3.11 on a P3 633Mhz.
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Response Number 5
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Name: dominicus
Date: December 15, 2002 at 21:35:19 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4? |
Reply: (edit)Im a little unclear on the second question, as w311 doesnt actually interact with, or have any , serial bus control software in it.
I may have misunderstood entirely, tho .
Ive run 311 (both regular and WfW ) on my celeron ,and 31 was disappointing, but WfWorkgroups ran(and still does run) just peachy. Frankly, despite my big bias towards WfW, in your case ,id suggest, especially as your clearly gonna be linked into a net, try to find a copy of NT 3.51,(i dont care for 4.0)and use it.The reason i mention this is on my celeron i put both WfW, and later added NT 3.51, and found, except in the cases where NT was clearly superior, them to be practically identical, leaving me with a whole lot of redundancy. All my WfW apps run on NT3, Its got the same legacy req'ts as WfW,(so you dont get that PnP/legacy conflict if multibooting, and it's interface is almost identical.
I know the celeron's maybe not that much over 300Mhz but i know of others using P4's with w311 that have no problems (although since they , like me, also multiboot, none of us have been subjected to every possible limitation of it, its always easier to switch to an OS you know can do the job , than try every tweak in the book to get one that might not be able to,to do a certain task)
_nick_
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Response Number 6
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Name: fatmander
Date: December 16, 2002 at 13:01:28 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4?
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Reply: (edit)Thanks for all the response, The computer needs 3xRS-232 interface serial for control,(simple dos drivers) unfortunately the S/W doesn't work with win9x/2K yet, but is in the process of being upgraded(nearly 2 years now they are workin on it....)
I agree with those who say it is a waste of a P4- damn sure it is, the software will be migrated to win2k where the parts will serve their purpose, hopefully for a very long time,but it is not ready yet, and will not be for some time.
This is a 3.11 box running 2.4GHz p4, 512 PC2100 RAM, 60 GB 7,200 UATA 133 HDD,
It's a sinful waste!, but when 3.11 is upgraded it will serve its purpose. I'm sure NT 3.51 would do a much better job however the machines have been in place for 5/6 years with 3.11, so the move will be to win2K and PCI control cards- but it is taking time. Mostly I was wondering about a board made by ibase.com.tw,the 'mb800' they(ibase) seem to think it will not work, they tested it for me and said that 3.11 had failed, still waiting for them to tell me what part failed though,(eg. on board serial , or did the whole southbridge thing keel over and die horribly.......
due to the fact that the system asn't built for 3.11. But if I am not mistaken(and I often am) the serials are controlled by the BIOS through standard addresses, irrespective of the O/S, so couldn't I add PCI serial cards with DOS drivers disable on board if it is a problem and have a Happy Christmas Have a look at the board, It is impressive
http://www.ibase-i.com.tw/mb800.htm P.S. all the southbridge chipsets on the mobo are all old, P2/P3, wouldn't that make it more likely to work?
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Response Number 7
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Name: Hmmm
Date: December 17, 2002 at 10:20:22 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4? |
Reply: (edit)Had a wee giggle when I read your post. It's good to see win 3.x is still doing a usefull job in industry. I'm wondering if actually updating the OS will actually improve things. Please keep us posted ;)
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Response Number 8
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Name: fatmander
Date: December 17, 2002 at 17:21:24 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4?
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Reply: (edit)Thamks Hmmm,Wengie,k_semler,dominicus, and the rest.... I am not a superior tech user etc...........,
enough said....... I Have been working with PC's for 5 years only.
I used to sell Paint-brushes in my previous job ffs.
I am now only a technical sales rep.
There is a load of people,(millions) who know more this than I will ever know, you know who you are............
And they are the people among others, whose opinions I value need/value (for the sake of my job if nothing else).
Thank you all for your posts, They are all relevant and helpful,
I will definately tell you how I get on with the project, it starts in January.
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If anyone can think of any reason why the system might have conflicts or problems, I would love to hear their thoughts/opinions......
Please, dont let me make the mistakes you made and learned from.......
Regards,
Steve(Fatmander-Ireland)
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Response Number 10
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Name: DickM
Date: December 19, 2002 at 11:40:20 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4? |
Reply: (edit)If you have applications such as works for 3.11 running on a p4, it will be a supercharged word processor, and there will be lots of room left for a whole load of other 3.11 applications. It's not easy to get into DOS in some computers, depending on if they already have an op system preinstalled. You can switch from op sys 9 to 3.11, but you might not be able to restart it to Dos.
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Response Number 11
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Name: Matthew Allen
Date: January 28, 2003 at 06:05:15 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4?
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Reply: (edit)what an idiot what a waste
win me wont work above about 4gighertz
Win 98 wont work above about 3gighertz Win 95 if your lucky will stop working at about 1gig but most versions its more like 433meghertz win 3.11 at 200meghertz and 3.10/3.1 is more like 150meg or so the computer is top fast for the software. what i suggest that you do is sell the p4 if u can and then you can buy a samller machine. win 3 will interface with most operating systems if you get the right software, if you want it to run really fast then get win me or like the anther person suggested get 98. youll get a fast computer and you would be making use of the adavntages of a better operating system.
Alternativly scrap windows all together and get some Win3.11 compatable version of Linux. Then you can almost have anything that you like.
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Response Number 12
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Name: fatmander
Date: January 29, 2003 at 15:11:41 Pacific
Subject: 3.11 on a P4?
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Reply: (edit)Yippee, a happy idiot, none the less...
I sold that computer for €4000- no monitor. Thanks for the help lads,
Had the machine in test last week, and what a flier she is.
Boots in less than 15 secs(remember dos?) with 250zip, cd drivers and all the dos. It wasn't a totally bug free install, when I first installed dos 6.22 I got an 'error reading io.sys' and 'fc.exe'.
fc.exe didn't matter but io.sys did, I rebooted and non-system error.
So I rebooted with a floppy and sys c: patched it all up, miracles will never cease.
I couldn't figure the autoexec and config for the new iomega drivers so I used the dos 5.22 drivers-got them on a russian university site.
The bios ended up controlling all the com ports, so they weren't an issue at all. FYI
wfw works on a P4 2.4 Ghz, 512 DDR2100, 60gig 7,200 HDD(2.GB Partition for fat16),
and ISA cards aswell.
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