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Name: speedunlimited
Date: October 14, 2004 at 07:19:16 Pacific
OS: W2K3 Standard
CPU/Ram: IBMServer Dual P4
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Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me.

I've setup 1 Windows Sever with DHCP, DNS and AD and as a domain controller. The rest of the machines are WinXP Pro. DHCP assigns the IPs for the WinXP machines (10.0.0.10 - 10.0.0.40) to keep the network private. I disable the DHCP on the router to accomplish this. I can join the domain (called OCL.local) on the XP machine (although, logon is very slow). So far it's Ok. This is the LAN on the first NIC.

I also have a DSL line coming into the room that I want to run into the second NIC. The DSL connection uses PPPoE. I have a few questions.

1. Can Windows Sever be setup to authenticate the PPPoE logon information from my ISP (just like a broadband router does)? and...

2. Can I share this Internet connection through the LAN I currently have setup or does my LAN require a different setup to accept a shared Internet connection?

Thanks for all your help guys.

Greg



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Response Number 1
Name: Curt R
Date: October 14, 2004 at 08:19:40 Pacific
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1) I'm pretty sure you can setup your PPPoE connection to the server. I can't verify for sure as around here DSL/Cable is not PPPoE and doesn't require any login/authentication to connect (lucky us!). However, I'm sure Bill and his programmers were aware of PPPoE so it's likely they made server capable of connecting to it.

2) Yes you can. You have two choices for sharing your internet....either a) ICS, or, b) RRAS with NAT enabled. For ICS to work though, you'ld have to use the Class C private IP addressing scheme with your LAN NIC on the server having the IP address: 192.168.0.1 (this would be automatically applied to the LAN NIC when you enable ICS on the external NIC). If you use RRAS/NAT, you can use the Class A private IP's you're using now but setup is a little more complex. However, RRAS works better in my estimation.


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Response Number 2
Name: speedunlimited
Date: October 14, 2004 at 08:52:37 Pacific
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Thanks for all your help CurtR. I'm going to try what you suggested and see if that works. Thanks again.

Greg


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Response Number 3
Name: dannyboy
Date: October 15, 2004 at 02:23:50 Pacific
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Greg, if you can post back after you've tried the above I'd really appreciate it, as I've been trying to enable ICS in 2003 Server without success. (the option is not there to enable it).

I can get it working fine in XP, but not 2003, even though they are both running on the same PC. I'm told that this may be something to do with the fact when running 2003, my machine is acting as a domain controller.

thanks

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Response Number 4
Name: Curt R
Date: October 15, 2004 at 05:11:04 Pacific
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I've got ICS running on mine....on dialup though, not highspeed (I live out in the country too far for any highspeed). I enabled ICS on my 2003 server by going into the property sheet for the dialup connection and clicking on the Advanced Tab (same place as you enable the built-in firewall). It should be the exact same for highspeed.....go into the property sheet for the external NIC and enable it on the Advanced Tab for that connection.


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Response Number 5
Name: dannyboy
Date: October 15, 2004 at 07:33:47 Pacific
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Yeah that's how i did it in XP, but there's no Advanced tab in the Network connection properties in 2003 Server. (even though both OS's are using exactly the same hardware, as it's a dual boot).

Weird huh?

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Response Number 6
Name: speedunlimited
Date: October 16, 2004 at 10:56:25 Pacific
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Dannyboy, on my machine, I'm able to select ICS through Advacned on the Properties of the NIC. There's a little check box to enable ICS. But I haven't done that yet. I'm trying to use CurtR's other method using RRA.

So far, this is what I have. I have my domain setup and I can log in from the XP clients. I have the internet coming to the 2nd NIC through PPPoE. I can surf the net fine. I'm on it right now on the 2003 machine.

Problem is, what do I do now to get it to the XP clients? On the private NIC on the 2003 machine, I'm 10.0.0.10 with a default gateway of 192.168.2.1. But I can get on the net without any problem. Is that normal? That was the only way I could configure it to get on the net.

When I go to the RRA screen, under IP Routing, I have Loopback, LAN (priavte NIC), Internet (DSL connection), and Internal. I don't understand how I'm connected now, nor how to get the clients connected.

So now, one NIC is 192.168.2.10, etc. If I use a gateway of 192.168.2.1 on the private nic (10.0.0.10) I see the net. Help.. now what can I do so the XP clients see the net too. Thanks guys.

Greg


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Response Number 7
Name: dannyboy
Date: October 18, 2004 at 01:51:18 Pacific
Reply:

When I set up ICS in XP, I just enabled ICS on the internet connection. The other NIC was then automatically set to a static IP of 192.168.0.1 (subnet 255.255.255.0)

This then serves DHCP to the client machines, so you should just be able to hook them up, and away you go. They'll be given an IP in the same range, like 192.168.0.23 , or whatever.

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Response Number 8
Name: speedunlimited
Date: October 18, 2004 at 06:40:24 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the reply Dannyboy. Let me see if I understand this. This is what I have so far:

The NIC that connects directly to the DSL modem can connect to the internet. When I check its status, it has an IP of 192.168.2.1/255.255.255.0 with a default gateway of 192.168.2.1.

If I set my scope of the LAN to be 192.168.0.10-192.168.0.35 and enable ICS on the DSL-connected NIC (192.168.2.10) then all my XP clients will be able to connect to the internet? Is it really that easy?

I thought this wouldn't work because the DSL-NIC didn't have a public IP address. I didn't think DHCP would assign and IP of 192.168.0.10 (for example) with a gateway of 192.168.2.1.

I'm going to try it and let you know how it goes. Thanks again.

Greg


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Response Number 9
Name: speedunlimited
Date: October 18, 2004 at 15:45:47 Pacific
Reply:

Boys, I got it to work. Thank you all for your help so much. Dannyboy, this is what I did to get the internet on all of the machines.

1. Setup DC (AD), DHCP, and DNS. DHCP scope was 10.0.0.10 - 10.0.0.35

2. Set the IP of the LAN NIC (on the Server) to 10.0.0.2. Default gateway to 10.0.0.1. Prefered DNS to 127.0.0.1.

3.Pluged the DSL modem into the 2nd NIC card and accessed my ISPs setup page by browsing to 192.168.2.1. Setup the account information there (like PPPoE) and selected the connection to be "always on." This NIC had everything to "Obtain automatically.." I didn't assign an IP here.

4. Turned of ICS, ICF and bridged the two NICs.

5. That's it. Whenever any of my users log onto the domain, they all have Internet access.

I hope this setup is ok. There were no problems setting this up. So I hope it continues to work.

Anyone know of any issues setting the Internet up this way?

Again, thanks guys!

Greg


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Response Number 10
Name: dannyboy
Date: October 19, 2004 at 02:18:50 Pacific
Reply:

nice one Greg, thanks for posting back :)

That setup should work fine.

Funnily enough I actually set my 2003 server up exactly the same way last night (including bridging the connection, as I have no ICS option in 2003), and it works perfectly.

I love it when a plan comes together ;)

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