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Name: tommypa
Date: October 15, 2009 at 07:23:07 Pacific
OS: Windows Server 2003
Product: Microsoft Windows server 2003
Subcategory: Configurations
Comment:

Good morning, I recently just installed a point
to point connection to join my two networks
together. I have two separate domains on the
point to point. Each domain has two domain
controllers. I can't seem to get the trust
relationship to take. When I go to my domain
controller I open the "new trust wizard" and
when I add the other domain "domain2.local" I
receive a message saying Cannot Continue-
The New Trust Wizard cannot continue
because the specified domain cannot be
contacted. I am unsure what I'm doing wrong.
Can anyone assist? Thank you, Tommy



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Response Number 1
Name: Phatsta
Date: October 15, 2009 at 07:51:39 Pacific
Reply:

Actually it's late afternoon over here but welcome anyways ;)

I know you chose 'domain2.local' as an example, but if you're actually using a .local extension the domain can't be contacted since it's not registered with any DNS. I would recommend using the hosts-file to tell your two DC's where the domain1.local and domain2.local really are, i.e. the IP or DDNS to it. That should be enough.


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Response Number 2
Name: tommypa
Date: October 15, 2009 at 08:11:21 Pacific
Reply:

Can you explain further? I dont quite understand what I need to
do.


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Response Number 3
Name: wanderer
Date: October 15, 2009 at 09:03:10 Pacific
Reply:

tommypa to create domain to domain trusts they need to be in the same forest.

I suspect this is not the case since these have been separate sites.

In which case you have two different forests [hopefull not the same name or you have larger issues.]

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...

BTW you can't think in terms of domain trusts like in NT days. It is all about forests now.


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Response Number 4
Name: Phatsta
Date: October 16, 2009 at 09:45:23 Pacific
Reply:

I'll try and explain better...

What's your actual domain name? I'm sure it's not domain1.local. Let's say for example that you have tommypa.local, then you have a local domain that isn't registered with any DNS server, but if you have tommypa.com then chances are you have your domain registered with an external DNS server, which means that if anyone outside of your network would type 'ping tommypa.com' in the command prompt, they would get a reply from your domain controller.

In other words, I don't think your two DC's can find each other, because they are looking for a domain that's non-existing (i.e it exists locally in the LAN but not on the WAN).

A quick fix, if this is your problem, would be to edit the hosts-file on the first DC (domain1.local). The file is located in C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc. Open it with notepad and type this (assuming the IP of DC2 is 192.168.20.1):

192.168.20.1 domain2.local

And on the second DC (domain2.local) type this (assuming the IP of DC1 is 192.168.10.1):

192.168.10.1 domain1.local

Since the hosts-file has priority over the DNS records, it will tell your servers to go to 192.168.10.1 / 192.168.20.1 to find the domains. You could call is hard-coding of DNS records.

If it doesn't work you can just edit the hosts-files again and remove the input. No harm done.


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Response Number 5
Name: wanderer
Date: October 16, 2009 at 10:49:07 Pacific
Reply:

Phatsta what does what you write have to do with setting up trusts?
There is no mention in tommypa's post that this has anything to do with a public domain name which also does not relate to setting up trusts.


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Response Number 6
Name: scurlaruntings
Date: October 16, 2009 at 12:28:52 Pacific
Reply:

I takeit you have the neccesary ports open on the firewall(s)?

http://windowsitpro.com/article/art...

We can presume because you have 2 different DC's that they are in different root forrests on different subnets. If that is the case they will be seperated by firewalls of which you will need to open the neccesary ports in order for them to communicate.


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Response Number 7
Name: wanderer
Date: October 16, 2009 at 15:09:56 Pacific
Reply:

"I have two separate domains on the
point to point."

point to point = no firewalls


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Response Number 8
Name: scurlaruntings
Date: October 17, 2009 at 03:29:58 Pacific
Reply:

Im a network engineer. Never heard of that terminology in that context. Either way both those domains will be seperated by a router. Its very much plausible that those routers are integrated and have firewall capabilities as do most layer3 devices. Additionally if the "domain cannot be contacted" that will be either because a route doesnt exist to the other network or there are ports being blocked that arent allowing the two to communicate.


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Response Number 9
Name: wanderer
Date: October 18, 2009 at 09:50:36 Pacific
Reply:

I have multiple points to points. You don't need firewalls on them just routers. This is your internal network.

I believe the error message is about trying to connect to another domain in another forest across the wan link when in fact the operation is taking place in the local forest and the other domain does not exist in this forest.

Key phrase here to me is "join my two networks
together. I have two separate domains"

There are two DCs at each site according to the OP. The networks are joined physically thru the ptp. What we don't have is forest to forest trusts which allow two way communication or an external trust for domain to domain trust.

Another issue is that of are the sites dns servers doing forwarding to each other as in listed per the checklist.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...

Big unanswered question is that of were these two forests setup with the same namespaces.


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