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windows update can't install

Original Message
Name: djmrman
Date: September 26, 2007 at 20:40:40 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
OS: win2k sp4
CPU/Ram: k6 233
Comment:
Every time I try to install any windows update it downloads all 55 updates but yet none install. It did the same for windows installer 3.0 and (Bits) 4.0 so I installed manually and worked fine. But I am in no mood to install all 55 updates manually

Hope some know the problem this is a fresh install of windows 2k then updated to sp4


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Response Number 1
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 27, 2007 at 09:03:36 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Are you downloading the updates from the MS site?

Did Windows Updater select the files for you?

Did you do the post SP4 rollup?



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Response Number 2
Name: djmrman
Date: September 27, 2007 at 17:19:58 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
post sp4 rollup ? what do you mean. Yes it was from the ms site and yes and windows update did select the files for me

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Response Number 3
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 27, 2007 at 18:09:43 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Look here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows200...

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Response Number 4
Name: djmrman
Date: September 27, 2007 at 19:47:45 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Yes I have installed that

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Response Number 5
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 27, 2007 at 20:15:02 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Did you install that one manually, or automatically?

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Response Number 6
Name: djmrman
Date: September 27, 2007 at 21:17:05 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
yes as I have been unable to install any automatically plus I noticed something else weird I install the rollup 1 sp4 and ie6 sp2 and it is still showing up in windows update that they need to be updated but they are installed

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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 28, 2007 at 07:14:08 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Did you move the default location for downloads to go on your computer?

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Response Number 8
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 28, 2007 at 07:58:44 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Just came across this item in a post here by ironman. May relate to your problem also. Look at the link below.

http://www.windowssecrets.com/2007/...


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Response Number 9
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 29, 2007 at 20:30:10 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
EXCELLENT find OtheHill (and Ironman)!
I had that problem on a computer I was trying to fix for someone just a few days ago.
I had never had a problem with doing a Repair Setup previous to that.
That was AFTER I found the fix for Windows Update 3.1 won't install.
Presumably the same applies to Win 2k.

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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 29, 2007 at 23:34:00 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Thanks OtheHill! I managed to install 80 of the 84 updates thanks to that information (I still have the subject computer here. All of the ones that did not install were for .Net framework versions 1.0, 1,1, and 2.0.)

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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 30, 2007 at 07:43:49 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
I don't think older versions of Netframe need to be updated. I may be wrong about that. I assume the latest version is also installed?

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Response Number 12
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 30, 2007 at 08:39:17 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
From searching on the web I determined installing a newer version of .Net framework doesn't replace the earier versions, or eliminate the need to update them. Some programs require versions 1.0, or 1.1. or 2.0, or 3.0 to be present, and that all installed versions must be working correctly, and XP comes with 1.0 but you can re-install it.
That computer has other problems due to a registry edit I wasn't able to complete according to some t-shooting suggestion, and I'm going to have to do a fresh install of Windows in any case.

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Response Number 13
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 30, 2007 at 09:30:32 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
Are you sure WinXP comes with Netframe?

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Response Number 14
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 30, 2007 at 13:31:54 Pacific
Subject: windows update can't install
Reply: (edit)
"Are you sure WinXP comes with Netframe?"

Yes - 1.0 - e.g. I read it someplace yesterday, I'm pretty sure on the Microsoft web site.

The subject computer has MCE 2005 on it and an All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro card. It had many problems, including Windows Installer 3.1 wouldn't load, and because of that Auto Update Failed to load updates over and over, and .Net framework 1.1 had a problem and would not successfully repair itself or un-install. Before the Repair Setup, the TV app in the Media Center app was working fine, as was the ATI supplied TV app.
I ran a Repair Setup - I got two error messages I've never seen before during a Repair Setup.
One was it couldn't find an ATI chipset driver - I found it on another drive by using Shift F10 to go to a command prompt during Setup, then searching several of the 8 logical drive partitions on three hard drives for the file name, then pointing Setup to that location.
The second one had to do with a dll that was corrupted or the wrong version - I looked up the exact message on her laptop and was researching what to do about that when Setup completed on it's own anyway without me doing anything other than click the OK on an error message window many times.
After the Repair Setup, the Media Center TV app always produces a "Decoder in Use" message whenever you try to choose Live TV, despite the fact the ATI TV app still works fine, and at that point there was a problem with both DVD burner drives not showing up in My Computer and Windows Explorer, and both drives, both on secondary IDE, having yellow ?s beside them in Device Manager. Everything else in the Media Center app works fine, including looking at already recorded TV programs.
Eventually I fixed the DVD drives not being recognized problem by using the removing the upper and lower filters lines from the registry procedure, after trying re-loading the Via chipset drivers and several other things.
I have tried all sorts of things to fix the "Decoder in Use" problem, including completely un-installing and re-installing the ATI drivers and apps, loading different video codecs as default using a Microsoft utility - nothing has worked.
I found support for error messages you get in MCE is very sparse - when I did find a few exact matches to "Decoder in Use" the first "hit" was fine, but another one autoloaded a porno page which froze IE (6.x). I shut down the computer within a minute or so by holding in the power button, rebooted, Chkdsk ran, the Desktop loaded, and a pop up repeatedly said to click here to get an anti-spyware program. I then ran a full antivirus scan (Freedom), it got rid of most things except for those for two - I looked up the names of those exceptions on the web, found they were a trojan and adware, found some references, but the versions I had did not have the specified telltale files and registry entries. I found one was a.k.a. Vundo by Symantec, I found they had a removal utility, tried it, it found nothing - the version I had was newer than the utility could find I guess.
I managed to find which two programs were running that the adware and trojan were using use Task Manager and stopping programs, and found a third strange program was loading in Msconfig-Startup. I used regedit to remove references to those three programs, but dummy me hadn't saved a copy of the existing registry, and when I rebooted the pop ups were gone but I had new problems.
From then on, despite the user having administrator privelidges when I look in Control Panel at Users when I choose Safe mode and log on as Administrator, in normal mode I get accessed denied or similar messages when I attempt to access the properties of My Computer, or Display properties, and links to Run and Control Panel are not displayed.

I couldn't use system restore to fix the registry problem on the subject computer because I had ran a Repair Setup on it, and doing that deletes the previous restore points.

I tried looking at some of the other exact matches for "Decoder in use" on my 98SE computer - another "hit" ALSO loaded the porno page, froze IE 5.5 etc. However, the trojan and adware can't load in 98SE, so no harm done.

I ran the Repair Setup again, I got an error message later in Setup, same as I had gotten the first time.
A supposed quick fix I found after searching using the error message on my 98SE computer required you use Shift F10 during Setup to go to the command prompt, run regedit, go to a certain registry location, load a hive, do some editing, then do something else at a second registry entry, unload the hive, but the second entry wasn't there and I couldn't complete the procedure, and dummy me hadn't saved a copy of the existing registry, if that would even have been of use. The result was Setup completed on it's own anyway without me doing anything other than click the OK on an error message window many times, after a delay of about 25 minutes at the same point in Setup, the same as it had the first time I ran the Repair Setup.
I managed to fix the Windows Installer 3.1 won't load problem, and managed to successfully re-load .Net Framework 1.1 and 2.0 by using a combo of using Safe Mode - Administrator - Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs, and using the Windows Installer cleanup utility to remove entries for .Net Framework 1.1 and 2.0, and using the .Net framework install files I downloaded for the two versions, but had the same problem installing updates as the OP did - 84 of 84 failed to install. I had downloaded the .Net framework 3.0 install too, but have not installed it yet.


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