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Name: Brett Reid
Date: April 17, 2002 at 15:03:35 Pacific
Comment:

System Spec:

Pentium 4
1.5 GHz
512 Mb RAM
40 Gig Harddrive

Operating System:
Windows 2000 Professional

Problem:
Most of the time the pc flies but on occasion, things slow down DRAMATICALLY.
When I check the Task Manager, the System Idle Process is gunning away at 97 - 99 % CPU usage. This is a source of GREAT ANGER and bitterness towards Bill Gates and his Empire.

Linux is just sounding better by the day but unfortunately I use Microsoft Products to develop with..........


PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!

System Tray Apps:
Norton AntiVirus 2002
Getright 4.5
Webshots Desktop
ZoneAlarm Personal Firewall
Occasionally Incredimail

Thanks

Brett



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Response Number 1
Name: Meatpuppet
Date: April 17, 2002 at 15:41:46 Pacific
Reply:

Don't get mad a Bill. That just wastes time and energy.

It sounds like a system task is timing out or retrying. Often, depending on the task, this does not show up as a CPU usage. In fact, the system is idling waiting for a reply from say a network resource that it can't find. An example is if you map drives to other systems and they are not on. The OS will retry several times with upto a second or two wait time for a response.


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Response Number 2
Name: Glen
Date: April 18, 2002 at 05:39:04 Pacific
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Brett, you are typical of so many. When the users do not understand something, they blame Microsoft instead of educating themselves. What you are experiencing is perfectly normal, at least as far as the System Idle Process. Think about the name SYSTEM IDLE process. This is a process that accounts for processor time when the system isn't processing other things. It is basically the process of doing nothing. It is NOT slowing your PC down. It is expected behavior. Go to another pc that you think is working fine and look at it. You will see the same thing. So to 100 other pc's and you will see the same thing.

So before you get too mad at Bill you may want to get mad at yourself first and then go ahead and go to Linux. I'm sure all those apps you develop will sell real well to all those Linux users.


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Response Number 3
Name: frank
Date: June 5, 2002 at 02:50:58 Pacific
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Linux has an idle process too, in fact it is just as annoying as the windows version, sucking up CPU cycles.


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Response Number 4
Name: Sun
Date: June 8, 2002 at 15:01:06 Pacific
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I met a problem.Our Windows 2000 server frozen.Later I checked the task manager,found the system process(not system idle process)using 91% cpu time.I checked my program,looks running fine.No memory leaking.I don't know why SYSTEM using 91% cpu time.And under this case,we even cann't ping this server.Does system running blocking the network?I am really confused.If you know something about it,please help me.Thanks so much.


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Response Number 5
Name: Neal
Date: June 13, 2002 at 19:26:20 Pacific
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I don't know what you all are talking about but i am having the same problem with the System Idle Process. And it IS the problem as when the cpu usage goes down to say, 20, the computer is back up almost to normal speed and then it slows back down with the number reaches 99 again. Explain this coincidence.


And on a side note, this does not make me mad at bill gates but does make me mad at my computer.


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Response Number 6
Name: Peter
Date: June 14, 2002 at 07:43:47 Pacific
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Has anyone seen an association between printing on an parallel port printer and high cpu usage of the System Process(PID 8).. NOT the System Idle Process (PID 0)...

If you have a printer attached to a parallel port, print a large document with the printer not ready. It should print to a print spool file.

Then repeatedly start and stop the printer with the appropriate button on the printer..

Monitor the System Process in the Task Manager, and see if there is an association with Win2K moving data to the printer...

Most printers will not accept data from the system when they are on standby...

My problem is exactly that... when Win2K is actually moving output to the printer it sucks all the CPU resources... The problem shows up on two LPT ports and tho different legacy printers..
a Laserjet IIP and a Canon BJC210...

I am guessing... but I think the problem is that neither printer uses an IRQ & parallel.sys (the Win2K prallel port driver) needs one...

And yes!!! I have the latest & greatest parallel.sys from good ol' Uncle Billy at Mickey Soft!!!

Pop me an e-mail if you have any thoughts...



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Response Number 7
Name: James
Date: June 14, 2002 at 09:56:12 Pacific
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Well, I've found that when I run multiple products to produce many threads, my applications tend to work better than when there are only a few processes running. This lowers the Idle Process and makes everything seem to work more smoothly. So, in conclusion.. I'd say this is a problem of allocating CPU. Sometimes, it works better also if I designate the process to a higher priority then the others or a lower priority. I have to play around with those settings, they don't always work the same way.


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Response Number 8
Name: Byron
Date: June 14, 2002 at 14:55:42 Pacific
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The System Idle Process is a system process that runs when nothing else needs the CPU. It's only job is to execute a HALT command to the CPU. This suspends the CPU until it is interrupted (such as keyboard, mouse, network, thread timers, etc). This allows the CPU to run cooler. Windows NT, 2000, and XP have the System Idle Process (Linux has this as well). Older Windows (95, 98, etc) do not have this process, and thus the same computer running an older Windows OS will run hotter (since the CPU isn't HALTed when the system is idle). For those OS's, there are programs you can download that do the same thing as the System Idle Process (KCPUCooler is one). In no way does the System Idle Process hinder performance in any way -- and actually extends the life of your computer by HALTing the CPU, thus cooling the CPU adding years to the life of your computer.


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Response Number 9
Name: Vanessa
Date: June 15, 2002 at 22:46:57 Pacific
Reply:

Ok, so I have the same problem as the original post. My computer starts dragging- The system idle process goes to 97 or above. You say it is searching for something, ie network drive??? All I want to know is how I can fix it. It is EXTREMELY annoying.
Thanks


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Response Number 10
Name: porthos
Date: June 16, 2002 at 10:11:45 Pacific
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Listen people, I have an iwill k266 mobo and an amd 2100xp cpu, and my system crawls when this idle process comes on and it wont stop for about 3-4 minutes and I hear my HD working away.

This thing keeps working even while I am trying to perform other tasks. So to hell with this "while the system is idle crap" thats not true. I am trying to educate myself, but all explanations do not point toward what I and thousands of people like my are experiencing.


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Response Number 11
Name: Ron
Date: June 17, 2002 at 07:05:05 Pacific
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The system idle process ( which is ALWAYS running
) is NOT, repeat NOT, the cause of any slowdowns.
It is showing that the CPU is doing very little.

Something else is causing the slowdown. Try
removing programs from startup, then starting
them manually.


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Response Number 12
Name: Jay Cunnington
Date: June 17, 2002 at 23:39:34 Pacific
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I am using Partition Magic 7 to merge to partitions together and its only running at about 3% to 4% in the task manager, while System Idle Process is at 91% to 95% usage.
Its been that way now for 1 1/2 hours, and says its only 22% completed!

I looked up "System Idle Process" on microsofts website. Here is the link and I cut and pasted it here because there is a bit of scrolling to find it in the link, sorry for the long post.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/ntwrkstn/reskit/01art.asp

" Idle
(System Idle Process)

A process that runs to occupy the processors when they are not executing other threads. Idle has one thread per processor.
For more information, see "The Idle Process" in Chapter 13, "Detecting Processor Bottlenecks."

(Chapter 13)
"The Idle Process
Processors never rest. Once powered up, they must always be executing some thread of instructions. When not executing the thread of an active user or system process, they execute a thread of a process called Idle.

The Idle process has one thread per processor. It has such a low base priority that it runs only when nothing else is scheduled to run. This process does nothing but occupy the processors until a real thread is ready to use them. On a quiet machine, when you would expect processor use to be very low, the Idle process will be using most of the processor time.

Performance Monitor and Task Manager both use the Idle thread to indicate that the processor is not busy."

Go figure?
Does it only take 4% of the CPU's time to repartition a drive?

Jay


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Response Number 13
Name: upendra
Date: June 18, 2002 at 12:20:22 Pacific
Reply:

my windows 2000 server has all its hard disk
used up which iam not able to track


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Response Number 14
Name: Joe
Date: June 18, 2002 at 22:41:07 Pacific
Reply:

Jay,
The reason your HD will only partition at 4% of your processor speed is that the HD is a "physical" moving part(the head can only more so fast). Not much processor time is taken to run Partition Magic therefore, creating idle time(wiating for HD).


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Response Number 15
Name: Simo Bk
Date: June 19, 2002 at 02:04:29 Pacific
Reply:

Hi all,

I have been experiencing the same problem for a while. The computer starts working alone and on the task manager, either the "system idle process" or "explorer.exe" are taking ALL the available resource.

Here is an article I found on the Microsoft Knowledge Base concerning this problem:

http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q317751

Hope this helps...


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Response Number 16
Name: joe
Date: June 20, 2002 at 18:42:21 Pacific
Reply:

I think I may have fixed the problem, at least on my system, by disabling the indexing service on my hard drive. Windows will "index" files on your hard drive to make searching for files faster. "Unless you spend most computer time doing searches, this tweak will add a little speed to your system. Open my computer, right-click on C:\ and select 'Properties.' Uncheck 'Allow indexing service to index this disk for faster searches.' uncheck this OK out. Select 'Apply to all folders and subfolders' in the pop-up window." http://www.sailcat.com/winxptips.htm

When I turned this off, my computer no longer accessed the hard drive constantly and no longer took over my CPU cycles.


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Response Number 17
Name: Busk Togun
Date: June 26, 2002 at 08:41:01 Pacific
Reply:

There is a similar project to System Idle Process called SETI @ Home, wherein one organization broadcasts code of their choice that uses the idle CPU time of many computers to do work for them remotely. Across the nation, that's almost limitless CPU time.

Microsoft, with its software on the majority of computers in the nation, has taken obviously advantage of this fact. When your computer is grinding away with no apparent programs running, it's doing so on packets that MS has built into the OS for research and doing test after test, saving its results in "temporary storage" until it finds an active internet connection on the machine which it has been doing the crunching. Once it has found one, it sends encrypted security keys and other information generated by your computer back to Microsoft.

To verify this, I spoke with many ex-MS affiliates & co-workers who had previously been at work on this for years prior to its 'deployment from Redmond'. What I found out was astonishing.

Apparently, sometime in 1996 there was a particular interest in finding governmentally controlled public research in the future of Food Sciences & Advancements. A variety of partnerships in corporate owners of fast food chains were looking towards the future and incorporating intricate systems of automation for consumers on a global scale. After all, everyone's gotta eat, so it's the largest business of all- and never ending. Microsoft saw this as an advantageous investment, but forseeing certain shortcomings in the market of computing, wanted to do more, and quickly.

As consumer computing was getting better, faster, on a drastic scale, it was the perfect time to plan releasing this type of reasearch analysis toolset into the OS of every common household, office, and school. And as the Internet is becoming more popular than ever and is available to almost every new device out today, the analyzed research could be returned more quickly.

The specifics of the information being crunched by computers with the System Idle Process is, in particular, analysis of food textures & structure, statistics of public response to fast food ads, and virtual scenarios of the future of fast food with several outcomes.

Upon the releases of Windows 2000 and XP operating systems, there has come a feature claiming "automatic updates". Since security updates are so imperative to high-end businesses and and other organizations with lots of computing, it's easy to get them to enable this and allow full, exclusive access to Microsoft for the transfer of analysis data about tacos, burritos, extra crispy chicken, and hamburgers of all sorts.

The intricasies of the hamburger data are particularly interesting. There is so much transmission of the hamburger data, in particular, that bandwidth for networks with internet access in some communities has dropped up to 12% because of all the reasearch being done about hamburgers, and all of this back-and-forth transmission has been dubbed "Hamburger Talk".

The conspiracy about Hamburger Talk has really been quite interesting, and it's no wonder that all of this is related. Scientists who have tapped into this scheme have been discovered by certain higher parties and have been silenced. Ironically, by hamburgers. The facilities that take the analyzed data have used it in production testing and have discovered the most innovative, mouth-watering, almost pornographically enjoyable hamburgers known to mankind, and if you discover parts of this scheme, this is your reward.

So my friends, my bretheren, my hamburger-loving humans! As you listen to your hard drives grind away as you're doing nothing, just ponder about all that glorious hamburger you'll be tasting-- and sooner than you thought! Everytime AMD or Intel releases a new and powerful processor, your mouth will start watering with delight. For it means that we're just that one step closer to being in Hamburger Nirvana.

Count me in! System Idle Process, you're the savior of the free (and hungry!) world.


(This post is in fact, not factual. Please do not hunt me down. Oh, and MS- if you'd actually like to take this idea, I say by all means!)


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Response Number 18
Name: andrew longhorn
Date: June 26, 2002 at 23:39:14 Pacific
Reply:

Busk,

My dear friend, you now have angered the community of government workers. You are incorrect about the style of data used by system idle processes.

See i once worked for the CIA, and then the NSA. The process your talking about sends a data stream into the internet that we totally abuse. See we intercept those streams with our T7, yes a T7 connection and use it to our benefit.

We use the steam to hack into your hard drive and scan every bit of your drives, and then we use it to send false signals to the other guys. We used the microsoft settelment to put this program into existance, and now we own a lot of systems...

Do you know what microsoft-ds does?? Not a lot of people do, but we use that as well. Yes internet citizens I bring you the truth, Hamburgers are not eating your cpu speed, and they are not HALTing your cpu either... it's your government hacking your computer in a benine way to protect you from harm.

Have a good one
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