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Name: EK
Date: September 12, 2002 at 06:33:38 Pacific
OS: Win2000/WinME
CPU/Ram: 1.4Ghz/512 MB
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Dear All,

I have two questions for you:

1) Does anyone know how to make a certain program to load before the others during startup?

2) From Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> System Tools -> System Information -> Software Environment ->Drivers

I found that my SCSI Scanner Driver is not enable. How do I enable the driver? I need this driver to load everytime when when I started to computer so that I don't have to restart my computer everytime I need to use the scanner.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
YEN



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Response Number 1
Name: nec
Date: September 12, 2002 at 20:08:52 Pacific
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what makes you say it's not enabled? is the device not working properly? does it have a "bang" thru it in device manager? or do you need to have some scanning program start?


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Response Number 2
Name: EK
Date: September 12, 2002 at 20:49:28 Pacific
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Thanks for your message nec.

Sorry if I my initial message is not clear enough.

Usually when I need to use my SCSI scanner, I need to turn on the scanner and restart the computer so that the Win2000 will be able to detect the scanner and load the scanner driver.

I have been looking for a way to force the driver of the scanner to load during start up no matter if I turn on the scanner or not.

Thanks!



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Response Number 3
Name: michael
Date: September 12, 2002 at 20:57:29 Pacific
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nec,

Thanks for the laugh. Haven't heard "bang" used since the dollar bang ($*)days of Exec on the old 1100's.

EK,

I think nec meant the exclamation mark.

To answer the 1st question you posed, you can set dependency's on the load order. Been racking my brain since reading your post this morning. Other than remembering that I answered this with a couple of pointers in one on these NT/W2k/XP forums this year, I can't remember how to do it. I do remember that the person posted back that it worked.


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Response Number 4
Name: EK
Date: September 13, 2002 at 18:31:29 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks Michael, I will do a search and update this link.

Thanks again.


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Response Number 5
Name: EK
Date: September 13, 2002 at 18:41:01 Pacific
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Michael I think this is the method you are talking about.

http://computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/23073.html


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Response Number 6
Name: michael
Date: September 13, 2002 at 21:35:41 Pacific
Reply:

That sounds like a good way, but its not the one I meant.

You can actually set program A to start before B program by seting a dependency. Its a registry trick, and I still can't remember where I found it (maybe in the w2k forum?). I should keep better notes and in only one place. They are scattered through dozens of books and binders (not to mention scraps of paper).


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Response Number 7
Name: EK
Date: September 13, 2002 at 23:09:16 Pacific
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Thanks! I will keep looking then.

By they way, Michael, do you know how to solve my second problem? That is to force a driver to load no matter if there is such equipment or not (i.e. scanner).

Thanks!

EK


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Response Number 8
Name: EK
Date: September 13, 2002 at 23:30:34 Pacific
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Michael,

I did some google searches and found these sites which might solve Question 1 :)

http://www.webattack.com/freeware/system/fwstartup.shtml

http://www.greatis.com/regrun3startuporder.htm

EK


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Response Number 9
Name: michael
Date: September 14, 2002 at 08:22:42 Pacific
Reply:

Beyond having the SCSI scanner powered up at boot up, no, I don't know a way of forcing the driver to load. Your situation is similar to mine with an External USB CDRW drive. When powered off, the software loads, but the driver doesn't.

I think its because the driver expects to connect to the device and communicate back to the OS that the device is up and in working order (which it's not if powered down). Notice that both buses (SCSI and USB) are active buses. Parallel port printers/drivers don't have this issue. I don't think PnP comes into this.

Both of those sites you mentioned utilize third party software to manage the start order. The 2nd link gave me a hint, but no go.

I've tried searching these forums to no avail. I even tried a google search with computing.net and dependency in the search field. Nada. Short of looking up all the posts I've answered this year, I'm stuck for a better answer for you than what you've found.

If I do find the answer (this will bug me until I do) I'll post it back here, but it may be a while (maybe weeks, probably many days). Sorry.


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Response Number 10
Name: EK
Date: September 14, 2002 at 18:39:24 Pacific
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Michael thanks for your effort in explaining how SCSI etc works. I will also keep trying to find the answer for Question 1 (Managing the start order). I really appreciate your consistent strive for a better solution :)

Thanks!

EK


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Response Number 11
Name: michael
Date: September 15, 2002 at 10:09:06 Pacific
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Well, someone up there must love me. I found the post I was looking for, and it didn't take days! I had even miss numbered it in my records as well!

See W2k post #27611. The down side is that it doesn't deal with the order of starting up programs but the starting up the services. Sorry to lead you down the garden path.

The up side is that there is a way that you can have (some) programs start up as a service. There is a program in the Resource Kit that will make a program start up like a service. It is called "srvany.exe" and works with "instsrv.exe". See srvany.wri and Q137890 for more information, Q152460 for trouble shooting it.

Not sure if it will work for all applications. I've read that you can setup Seti to run as a service using this method.

HTH


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Response Number 12
Name: EK
Date: September 15, 2002 at 19:05:29 Pacific
Reply:

Cool! Thanks Michael!


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Response Number 13
Name: michael
Date: September 15, 2002 at 21:33:40 Pacific
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You're most welcome.


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