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Perhaps someone could help me.
I'm certainly no expert in PC networks, but several years
ago I successfully set up an Ethernet LAN with three
Windows 98 PC's (two of which had local printers) and a
network printer (A Canon ImageRunner printer/copier) all
connected through a single Ethernet hub.Everything worked fine with all computers being able to
share files and all printers available to all computers.Recently one of the PC's with a local printer was upgraded
by someone to Windows 2000 and strange things have
happened. The two Win98 PC's are still able to share files
and share the one local printer, but they are not able to
see the Win2000 PC, the local printer on that PC, *nor* the
Canon Network printer.Meanwhile, the Win2000 PC can print to the Canon
network printer with no problems, but can't see either of
the Win98 PC's or the local printer connected to one of
them.Ideally, I'd like to get everything working the way it was
before (while keeping the Win2000 PC), but I'd be happy if
i could just get the two Win98 PC's to be able to print to
the Canon Network printer.Why doesn't the network printer show up when browsing
the network neighborhood from one of the Win98
machines (it's plugged directly into the network, not
connected locally to the Win2000 machine)?
1. The two win98 system might not be able to share files with the win2k, if the win2k was set up to NTFS. The win98 is set to FAT32 and Fat32 does not communicate with NTFS.
2. Can you ping the printer's IP. from the windows 98 systems?
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Win2K acts like a server. Even though it is not in this case.
You need to set up an account for each Win98 machine on the Win2K machine with passwords and all and then you'll be able to access the printer and other things you want to share.
You may need to rebuild the workgroup also. And something else has changed if it's truly a network printer and not attached to a computer.
NTFS has nothing to do with it in this case.
Larry
"Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.'"
Charlie Brown.
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I know nothing about Win2K--is there a setup wizard or
info in the help section to guide me in setting up the
Win98 accounts?The printer is plugged directly into the Ethernet hub via an
Ethernet cable and is not physically attached to the Win2K
machine in any way.If the printer were networked to the Win2K machine via a
password protected network, would that prevent the
Win98 machines from seeing the printer?Are you saying the Win2K machine is acting as a server to
the network printer and the Win98 machines will only be
able to print through the Win2K machine?I need the Win98 machines to be able to print to the
network printer even if the Win2K machine isn't on-that
was the whole point of getting a network printer in the
first place.Or am I not following you?
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Yes, you're following in a way. I may have misunderstood your post. I thought you had two different issues.
If you can't log on to the Win2K machine from the Win98 machines or can't see the folders and such, you need to build accounts for the Win98 machines.
Settings, Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Local Users and Groups, Users. Go to the word Action at the top and select New User and enter the info.
As for the printer, if you can see it from another machine, check the printer settings for permissions for the Win98 machines.
Larry
"Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.'"
Charlie Brown.
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Larry-
I guess it is two separate issues:
1) the Win2K and the Win98 computers can't see each
other (which apparently is to be expected and requires me
to set up the accounts on the Win2K machine).2) The Win98 computers can't see the network printer,
while the Win2K machine can (which confuses me).I do have Printer Sharing and File Sharing enabled on the
Win98 machines. When I say "can't see" I mean they just
don't show up in the Network Neighborhood, not that they
show up but I can't access them.Is there some way to see everything that's connected
other than Network Neighborhood?Fooman-
Thanks, I had Googled that article already. Next week I'm
going to try all these suggestions.I'm still trying to get a handle on why the printer wouldn't
show up on the Win98 machines. What can stop it from
appearing to them? If the Printer was set to a specific
Workgroup or Domain, would that make it invisible to
others? Is it likely the printer would have this ability?
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Depends on the printer.
Have you tried checking to see if the Win98 machines have TCP/IP installed? And if the printer has the ability to join a workgroup, then yes, they'd all have to be the same. But this would be very unusual.
You might try adding NetBeui. I know that's not a very elegant solution but it might get you up and running.
The printer and file sharing would not affect the network printer. They would only affect the printer if it was connected directly to one of the computers.
HP has a program on their web site that will help you discover network printers even if they are not HP machines.
Network printers usually come with a default address already assigned. There is a way to print out an info sheet on your printer and check it's address. The subnet mask is most likely 255.255.255.0. Make sure your Win98 machines have that set as their subnet mask.
If you have to set the IP address of the printer, make sure it matches everything but the last number on the Win2k Machine, which can already see the printer. (I doubt this is your problem though.).
Larry
"Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.'"
Charlie Brown.
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AFAIK all of the network components are installed for the
Win98 machines. The whole network operated properly
until the one machine was upgraded to Win2K.The Win98 machines have no problem communicating
with each other and sharing their local printer over the
same physical network that the Win2K machine is using.I have to assume that when the computer was upgraded to
Win2K, they must have updated something in the network
printer as well, or maybe when they told the Win2K
machine to connect to the network printer, it
automatically changed something in the printer?
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You might be able to at least see the Win2k PC and vice versa if they have the same workgroup. Though you should be able to see other workgroups too with the microsoft network client installed.
You can try the search for computer option when you right-click on network neighborhood. You just wouldn't be able to access the Win2k PC from the Win98 machines with out the default W98 users being set up on the Win2k PC.
I wasn't aware that you could see a network printer in W98 if it wasn't connected through some OS as a shared printer or through a queue. I know I can't see any of our jet direct installed printers in the network neighborhood. Unless you mean by not 'seeing' that you can't ping it.
If you are sure the Canon wasn't a shared printer before, then it could be shared from the Win2k machine, once you can see it from the Win98 PCs, since it can see the Canon.
How is your Canon connected to your network? Is it a Canon specific networking connection or some other sort of external network print server like an HP jetdirect, silex, etc..
Duende de Oscuridad
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When the printer was first connected, I believe we simply
used Add Printer and selected Network Printer on the
Win98 PCs. I don't remember anything being tricky about
installing the printer. The Win98 PC's still have the printer
driver installed, they just can't access the printer (if I try, I
get a network error and a message to go see the network
administrator--hah, that's effectively me!).The printer itself has an Ethernet port that is plugged
directly into our hub along with all the other PC's (Win98
and Win2K).We don't want to use it as a shared printer as it defeats
the purpose we got it for (the Win2k machine is not always
on or accessible when we need to print from the other
PC's).
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