Is it possible, and wise, to try to install the MS-DOS Shell in Windows 2000 from the MS-DOS 6.22 Supplemental Utilities disk?

That's the one thing I miss with Win2k, is all the DOS utilities.

No not wise at all, dos 6.22 is a completly seperate os from win2k.

installing it will hose up your win2k unless you set it up as a dual boot. and your hardware is way newer than dos 6.22 so most won't even have drivers for dos.

search around the net for emulators or shell look alikes that simulate the dos enviroment your looking for.

not installing DOS 6.22, just wondering about the DOS Shell. The supplemental disk doesn't alter any system files when it installs, just copies the files where I tell it too.

dos 6.22 is not a shell, it is the os by it'self.

the dos shell in win2k is just that, a shell that looks like dos, but in looks only. (thats why it has less functions than 6.22).

trying to launch a second instance of a much older os inside of the win2k os will most certainly, (in my humble opinon), crash the system if it will let you do it at all.

You misunderstand. I'm talking the DOS Shell graphical interface. (The one that came with older DOS versions, and on the MS-DOS Supplemental utilities disk)

You are refering to the shell utility similar to the one that was part of DOS 5, yes?

Your Win2K will not like it at all. The shell is a 16 bit app at best and Win2K doesn't really like them. Do you run a FAT32 drive or NTFS? DOS does not recognise NTFS. Nor in fact Fat32 :o)

The command line will not work as all the commands are, and won't have been installed. You can add a Path line to your Win2K setup, but most of the commands used in DOS no longer exist in Win2K!

You would be as well using the standard Win2K Command window (Programs -> Accessories -> Command Prompt or Start -> Run and type cmd.exe).

You would probably be better off trying to program a similar app for use in Win2K, but again you will be limited to the commands available within the Command Prompt.

Better yet, learn to use Win2K in the GUI as designed. You would be better off for it....

Good Luck. . .

:o)

the gui in the old dos was written for dos, not nt5.0, (which is what win2k is).

the dos gui was a program running ON TOP of the os, (dos), the dos shell in win2k is a program running UNDER the os, (nt kernel).

most likely not work on win2k, you could try it and see, but I'm 99% convinced it won't.

very different technoligies at work here.

as i said you might find a program that does what you want on the net. an emulator or such. try posting in the dos forum, still a few dos die-hards out there.

M$DOS is an Operating System.

Windows 1.x to ME are GUI's on top of DOS.

NT family are complete Operating Systems (COMMAND LINE plus intergrated GUI) based on OS/2.

NT handles DOS as a VDM therefore you are going to balls up W2K, read this article about NT4 which equally applies to W2K, W2K3, XP:

http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/226/03/1.html

I STATE YET AGAIN THERE IS NO M$DOS IN NT IT IS AN EMULATION>

Never heard ntldr based OS are based on os/2

My information is that Windows NT was based more on VMS. This is due to the same guy, Dave Cutler, writing both OS's.

I see from your posts x86 that you don't like the words "dos" when folks are referring to command line.

Would you prefer command line shell?

After all we know there is no dos but to the novice it looks like dos so that's why they say dos.

Linux in command line looks like DOS, so I presume to a novice shown a Linux screen would say it is DOS ???

This may help to understand OS/2 and NT:
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/OS2Warp.html

actually they are all dos'es, since dos stands for Disk Operating System. and they are all just command line interpreters

lol,

not trying to start a war of words, :-))

Sorry DOS should state MSDOS,PCDOS,NovellDOS,DRDOS,OPENDOS,CALDERADOS,DATALIGHTDOS etc anything which is derived from CP/M86...............

Just a memory, not trying to start a war either!

As I remember OS/2 and NT were the products of a joint project between both IBM and Microsoft to develop a new fully 32 bit compliant Operating System.

Can't remember where I got it from, but it was years ago . .!

And there I was thinking it was Damned Operating System! LoL

Mr maineh .
Iv'e tinkered with the thought of using dosshell to browse the contents of a hard-drive for a while now and spent a few nights making my own boot-disk that has dosshell from dos 7.0 on it and found that i could browse the contents of my P4 computer that has win98se on it. I checked it out on a P3 with Millenium and found I could browse the entire contents of that drive too ,,3.5 gigs worth of files/folders on that one.The thing I like about dosshell is it has the ability to change a files attributes without having to use attrib and remember the commands associated + I can view & edit a file of my choice all within dosshell, all with mouse support + cd-rom support it's just the perfect mini windows TYPE graphical user interface, all on a boot-disk .I don,t know why somebody else hasn't stumbled upon it yet as it's the perfect boot-disk compliment for people who dont know much about computers,and wish to modify files on thier hard-drive if for some reason it's crashed.
I don't have a windows 2000 setup as fat32 on the premises at the moment so I can't test it yet,but can tell you for a FACT that dosshell 7.0 does see fat32 partitions.

sigh,,,,, lets try again,,,,,

if you are booting to it, it is not a shell, it it THE os.

if you launch it from inside win2k, it IS a shell OF win2k.

big difference.

the org poster wanted to BOOT dos 6.22 FROM INSIDE of win2k.

my money says, can't be done.

Whilst in98se I clicked on start / went across to programs / scrolled down to MS-Dos prompt, when the dos prompt opened up i typed the path to the folder i had a copy of DosShell 7.0 on.. and hey wallah DosShell opened up within windows, all with mouse support.
I closed DosShell and was back in windows, system didn't crash and i'm here typing this letter having seen with my own eyes that it worked.
And i'm no expert nor am I posting condescending replies.

So I can only imagine that if his windows 2000 is formatted as fat it should work within windows if ran from a dos prompt.

Mr Rick

sigh,,,,, lets try again,,,,,

The poster wanted to install MS-Dos Shell from the 622supp disk was his exact words,
I posted saying that MS-DosShell 7.0 would be the preferred option as windows95/8 was built on it.
He didn't ask to run the dos 6.22 system itself but DosShell.

He's Not running Win9x. . . But Win2K.

The DOS utilities he would like to run won't work in Win2K as they are not available.

Fat32 as with Win98 and on still does not see or support NTFS (if he has NTFS as the file system).

:o/

If the posters {maineh} computer is formatted as fat file system then running DosShell within windows2000 it WILL WORK if run from the command prompt.
But since he never posted what file system well never know.
Out of the sheer frustation of posts made here by people who seem to know the facts ,I've put the hard-drive in my P4 that has PM8 with 4 operating systems on it ,fired up windows2000 advanced server , copied DosShell 7.0 as supplied by Wengier on disk number 2 onto a folder on C: drive, called it dosshell,+ copied dosswap.exe into the same folder.
Clicked on the start button/across to programs / then accessories, in accessories there is a menu item called Command prompt, A little black square with C:\ in it , I typed the path to the DosShell folder =
C:\dosshell\dosshell & wallah DosShell opened up in windows 2000 advanced server,with mouse support cd-rom support .I then browsed through the contents of C: drive no problems. Then clicked the file button & exited DosShell & was back in command prompt, typed exit & was back in windows.
So my original advice was if the poters 2000 OS was formatted as fat file system it should work, well know I know it works for a FACT. But since we don't know what file system he's running we've all ASSUMED he's running NT file system.
If i'd known he was running NT file system I would'nt be spending my playtime here.

Dosshell.exe works fine under both w2000 and wxp! I have just tried them both, I cant think why an old dos program should "see" an NTFS volume but it does just that!. If you dont believe me try it.

Follow-up to my previous post: As Ken Oath said it supports mouse, cd-rom under w2000. I have checked under xp and the same holds (also zip-drives). This makes it a real alternative to the a43 file management utility when building Bart's ( www.nu2.nu/pebuilder ) emergency repair cd's for xp!