*Ugh* Well spoken *Ugh*

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/snip ha ha laler what's your site? /snip I don't feel like promoting right now and I'm no webdesigner... so go look @ my previous post once again you dunderhead, there's a "non-profit" :p site of mine... without a single effort about SEO, it's always listed in page 1 (rank #1 most of the time)... and after you see that, remove the word "now showing" in the searchbox and type "dubbed" and click the button, you'll see that the site at my siggy listed somewhere on page 1 if not rank #1... as long as it's relevant see? not about a high rank site linking to my site, not about how many people link to my site (how many people care whether animax is dubbed or not? :D), it is one of the consideration maybe but not the only one... if you can't get your page on top then someone's site has better relevancy to the keyword than yours, yes it's that simple, at least that what you should know :D they (g00gle) never publicize the whole method about determining the page rank, if you look around that www.google.com/addurl page, you'll find lots of good readings... one of them explains about link popularity scheme like you have on your site there, google said, "don't join them", you could get de-listed forever, ha ha! ^o^ are you in Asia? do you watch Animax Asia? Please Vote

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sn - "if google finds errors in your code they will penalise you." this is true! google would not FULLY index my site because i had a lot of errors in my code with regard to browser compatability and stuff. i was advised by one of the google support team - to have my code checked. on completion of this my site was FULLY indexed within two days. i am criticising googles pagerank system. initially it was a great concept and worked perfectly but now with link exchange programs, farms, and companies selling links (yes this does exist and only the most naive would disagree). I believe the pagerank system needs a overhaul. <meta name="robots" content="index,follow">' what you said is probably true with regard to googlebot, but would you still enter this within your code? i know i always do! "if you can pay a site which as a high pagerank to link to yours then your site will get a significant boost with reagrd to its position." This is not wrong again!! you are wrong again!! "Google not only checks to see how many people link to your site: They check to see if pages with content pertinent to the keywords link to your site." the above is not upheld my google they say they do but they dont. link:www.bnl.com the above company are database designers they have about 30 google links. have a look at them SN RecordSet solutions

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The real problem is those amateur website desginers who want to lure visitors to non-valuable, non-interesting websites. People will not like your site when it shows up at the first page of google. They like your site because it offers interesting information in a new form the visitor seeks. In my humble opinion; the site El-Trucha wants to share with the world has no interesting information, has not found a new form to present it, and is visible not attractive. I think it is more valuable if he would share his content in a forumlike place with other people with the same interests. That way he is still able to share his thoughts, products, whatever with others. I dont care if the 'system' Google uses is fair or not; all I want is a google-result page filled with sites that I am looking for. And to be clear and honest, El-Trucha's site is not one of them, not even with the keywords he suggested.

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"this is true! google would not FULLY index my site because i had a lot of errors in my code " I believe I already covered the reason for this when I said that it only mattered in cases of extreme incompetence... Different errors will have different impacts on the googlebot. You may have perfectly valid HTML code that the googlebot can't follow because of heavy or inappropriate use of javascript or flash. On the other hand, You can have a page with 5 million errors because of things like not including ALT attributes in IMG tags and the googlebot will happily index the entire thing. In other words, the googlebot only needs the HTML to be good enough for it to extract the information it needs. It doesn't check for w3 compliance. I'm not implying that making your site w3 compliant isn't a good idea...It's an excellent idea. "This is not wrong again!! you are wrong again!!" You didn't read/understand what I said. I said that if a site accepts payment to link to other sites, it's unlikely that site has a high page ranking, and therefore will not increase your own. It may be true in principle, but nearly impossible in practice. "the above company are database designers they have about 30 google links." I went to the site but couldn't find any information pertinent to this topic. What did you want me to see here? "The real problem is those amateur website desginers who want to lure visitors to non-valuable, non-interesting websites." Exactly. There is (and there should never be) a better way to increase your page rank than to provide valuable (AND UNIQUE) content. "I believe the pagerank system needs a overhaul." Again...Have at it. I'm sure that if you can come up with a better (and realistic) system, the world will be at your fingertips. -SN

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Whoops...I meant there is not a better way, not there is. -SN

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SN - yes your right my coding was rubbish - im not a web developer and neither is the guy who asked for some advice! if your code has many errors google will only partially or maybe not index it, use the validator to check - this was good advice for EL Trucha. yes or no google uses complex algoritmns nobody knows exactly whats used within them! using robots follow meta tag within your site is a good idea. yes or no. instead of taking so much time and effort to slate my advice tell him what he can do, i d be interested to hear also. i showed you the database site because i wanted to show you that hardly any of their 30 links are relevant to their site and they have a high pagerank link:www.bnl.com i dont understand why u think it would be impossible for someone to buy a link from a site which has a high pagerank. this would then clearly boost your pagerank there are many business directories out there with a high page rank all offering to promote your site within google for a fee. its getting worse everyday RecordSet solutions

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"if your code has many errors google will only partially or maybe not index it, use the validator to check - this was good advice for EL Trucha. yes or no" Yes and no. Yes because validating your html is always good advice. No because it gives the mistaken impression that this is the problem. It's probably not. Since the site is not up right now, I can't check for sure. "using robots follow meta tag within your site is a good idea. yes or no." It's not a bad idea, but again, you're barking up the wrong tree. That tag is intended for cases in which you do not have access to the robots.txt file, and is not widely supported. Anyway, you're just telling the robot to crawl the whole site, which it will do unless you tell it otherwise. So it's not doing any harm or good. "instead of taking so much time and effort to slate my advice tell him what he can do, i d be interested to hear also." It's already been said by Khalid & laler...Put content on your site that regular people want to read, and can't find on a million other sites. The reason I am taking so much time and effort to slate your advice is because I'm at work, I'm quitting this thursday, and I don't feel like actually working. Also because the advice you gave was misleading, and I didn't like your attitude towards the other posters here. "i showed you the database site because i wanted to show you that hardly any of their 30 links are relevant to their site and they have a high pagerank" I think it's possible, crazy as it may sound, that they have a high page rank because the site is relevant to custom database design. If I search google for "custom database design", chances are pretty good I'm looking for a company like bnl. "i dont understand why u think it would be impossible for someone to buy a link from a site which has a high pagerank. this would then clearly boost your pagerank" Until google finds out about it and never crawls either site again. -SN

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SN; "Let us know how you like altavista." That's a serial number/crack search engine!! isn't it?? (it sux btw...:P) Laler; What's "link popularity scheme"?? iso96; I cant have errors...I use FrontPage, I dont know any HTML!! :D Khalid; I tried having a forum with Alxnet, but some stupid girl posted porn advertisements in there!! :@ Also...u dont need 2 say all that, just say, "El-Trucha, your site sux!!", I know it does...:( ppl's always telling me bad stuff about it, and I only get hardly like 10 MB downloaded a day...:'( Thanx everyone!! ;) El-Trucha http://www.masterleito.ath.cx ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net hotline://tsfc.ath.cx

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Wowzers... I missed out on some fun. The only thing that stands out (SN has taken care of pretty much everything) is that link iso96 pointed out: link:www.bnl.com tells you about how many webpages link to the page www.bnl.com. While related to pagerank, it's not like it tells you exactly what the rank of bnl.com is. Try this one and maybe this one. Wow, Google's doing pretty good, but while Computing.net only has about 700 referrers, it is a VERY common result when I've searched for misc. computer-related stuff via Google. You might also give this and this a look-see. I had to read this quick so I might be off-topic, but I'm in a hurry... I've got to go pickup my copy of Halo 2 :) Score: SN up by 10

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SN - im going to rewrite my content, if my position moves in the right direction i will never argue with u again. Dr Nick - i was trying to show that links dont have to be related to boost your pagerank there are 1000's of articles all over the web, i can tbe bothered to argue any more. people buy links to boost their pagerank this is a fact and neither u or SN will convince me otherwise. http://www.lilengine.com/google-search-engine/google-ranking/pagerank-true-commodity-080804/page10.html RecordSet solutions

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/snip people buy links to boost their pagerank this is a fact and neither u or SN will convince me otherwise. /snip people also signup to juiceboosted, people throw money on `get-rich-quick` schemes, we'll never ran out of suckers on the internet :D am not saying all SEO services are scam, but most are... this time I'll put a direct link to google's explanation as many people are just too lazy to browse: Facts and Fiction SEO Explained in this link google told us to save the same skeptism to malehood enhancement spam when you see an SEO ads... to el Trucha: link popularity schemes is the one like you have there at the bottom on your page... go look at both google links above... ^o^ are you in Asia? do you watch Animax Asia? Please Vote

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Laler: Thanks for those links, good info from the source, of course paranoid conspiracy wackos will never go away. (For more info on the alleged Google censorship, see this Slashdot post, posted by Google in response to this Slashdot story as well as the media "coverage") The end all result is that if your webpage is worth seeing then it will eventually work it's way up the search engine results. Every site I've ever seen that's owned by somebody desprately trying to increase their PageRank isn't worth going to anyway.

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Laler; Oooohh...so those sites like AddMe like suckin ballz right?? well, MUCH thanx for the info!! ;) I'll remove the ads as soon as I update my website again...thanx!! ;) Dr. Nick; OK, forget about the page rank then...I'll just make my site better...thanx for the info u 2!! ;) Thanx everyone!! :D El-Trucha http://www.masterleito.ath.cx ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net hotline://tsfc.ath.cx

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